Looking back on it…they actually started screwing the pooch long before they shut down the forum. I remember raising a stink on the forum when their biologists started appearing on Big and J commercials promoting powder you pour out of a bag to “grow the big bucks”….They got on their and touted it as “scientifically proven”. That should have been a big red flag to everyone that they were selling out to sponsors. For a biologist to promote the magic powder in bag to the public and sell it to them in the name of science is pretty shameful. Its disingenuous at best. Sure, I bet somewhere they took and fed the stuff to deer in a pen and some got bigger….but again this is the same concept as the other products I posted about where you have to sell it to everyone to make money. Therefore you basically lie to the masses and make them believe that they too can just pour this magic powder out on the ground and grow the big bucks like you see on TV….and you can trust its true because a QDMA biologist said so!

The wool is being pulled over everyone’s eyes in order to sell products. These folks just become cheap whores working for their pimps….Might as well sell your soul to the devil for a TV show.

Almost all deer get bigger when they're a year older, up until age 5 or 6. This is the gimmick they user to sell these products.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot……..

After we get done disingenuously peddling our products to the public……let’s not forget to thank Jesus at the end of the show....

I hate to sound dramatic but if you go out and tell the public that broadcasting doesn’t really work in order to sell your product then you’re just lying……and knowingly doing it too.

2 weeks growth…..I ran two young bucks off when I walked up. It looked like one of them had a 3 wood in his hand getting ready to tee off.

What was your seed rate/acre, CNC?

In the past I've been using 100 lbs/ac of pure cereal grain......I bumped it up to 150 this year because of the experiment with broadcasting as well as the fact that I was using a mix of cereal grains, peas, clover, rape.....It looks like it stuck pretty well too. With my deer population that's fine and dandy with me. They'll have it eat back to a nub by the end of the season.

Damn man 150# of rye to the acre is a lot

It’s probably closer to 130# by the time you take out the peas, clover, and rape. That’s actually still at the top end of “normal” planting rates for grazing. If I were planting large fields of say 10-20 acres I’d back off to 50-75# of cereal grains and increase the amount of clover, peas, and brassicas. That’s a much better ratio that’ll allow the other components to do better. On a small field though that receives and ass load of browsing pressure like mine does…I’d rather go with a high stocking rate of grains. It’s already getting hammered even with acorns everywhere. I had 10 does feed in it all afternoon. I’m not for sure how many are in here right now but by the time Jan gets here its usually 20+ in a 2 acre field. A low stocking rate of grains just wouldn’t keep up…..I've increased my clover to 2 acres this year so maybe that'll take a little late season pressure off of it.....probably not much though.

Gotcha.

This may sound a little silly to some but there’s one thing that anyone doing this method probably should keep in their back pocket. It’s the idea that there may be things we humans just haven’t figured out yet. If we look at History then you can see a pretty good pattern of that. So knowing that’s not just the case….but a certainty…(lets be real here about the statistics here )…..then there needs to be a least a small office back there in the back of our brain somewhere for the possibility that we don’t have it all figured out and that’s the dept that’s figuring out new chit. A smart company would even make that dept pretty good size.

All I’m saying is…..Don’t constrain your brain to only what we think we know with all of this…whether it be with tilling or with throw n mow either one. If you think we have it all figured out already then your betting odds are highly against you….It’s like 99 to 1 that you’re wrong.

Don’t get ME wrong though the "what we know dept" should make up 80%-90% of the operation but there's just a lot of folks out there that don’t even leave open the possibility of anything else. They don’t even have a dept to develop new chit...... What happens to those ideas?...... They get lost in the past...…. A lot could be said for studying history...…... Anyone who has a new idea for any of this….try it…..that’s how we work together to fine tune it. I don’t care who’s wrong and who’s right.


Ok...that's a little bit of a lie but...….

Cracked corn must have been the bomb.😬

In other words….it’s ok to take what we already think we know and put it to use like we did with heavy tillage or even what we’re doing with new ways like T&M…..just part of the process.....But at the same time we shouldn’t squash creative thought and ideas of other possibilities …..…..Possiblities such as……”Maybe we don’t have to do all of that other stuff to plant great food plots”…..Maybe we can do it a different way. Innovation….that’s the word I’m looking for. We should always be open to new ideas even once we think we have this no-till chit figured out. We still won’t be at a point where we understand it all and we never will. We won’t ever fully understand nature no different than we will never fully understand God. All you have to do is look to the no-till movement in farming though to see that humans have once again figured out a different way and have realized that we made mistakes here and there in the way we were going about it in the past. Food plotting will follow suite and you can see it coming a mile away.

I guess enlightenment would be a better term for this particular situation than innovation. We aren’t actually innovating much at all really when it comes to T&M….we are just becoming more enlightened as to nature’s way.

One area where we as T&M or no-till plotters could become a lot more enlightened is with the native vegetation. Instead of clumping everything together and calling them weeds….we should be looking at each one individually and trying to understand its purpose…..its role in the bigger scheme of things….it’s attributes…..It's uses to wildlife....it's uses for soil.....it’s pros….it’s cons…..what it’s presence indicates about the conditions….etc…etc…..We still haven’t moved past the notion of

“Weed bad!”…………

I figured your thatch later would get more pushed around with the cracked corn. I just figured out last year cracked corn last 2x longer when spread out verse whole corn and the ground gets pushed around a lot more.

It’s really kind of hard to tell just how much of an effect the deer have had and how much of it has been from just the rain laying the hay on down. The deer are definitely on it and have scooped up most of the corn at this point. They’re hitting the cereal grains pretty hard now too. I really wasn't wanting the thatch layer pushed around as much as I was wanting it stomped down to the ground. It's pretty much the same concept as timber thinning....I'm removing the overstory so that the understory plants can thrive. My understory plants in this case are my cereal grains and such

What do y’all buy when you top dress with nitrogen towards December. What’s the best bang for your buck to use in a pull behind spreader.

Bagged urea usually will be your best bet 46-0-0 per 100# if you can find it.

If you can't find that then ask for 34-0-0 or 33-0-0...I forget which one it is

It can be both actually.

Whats the difference in bagged urea and ammonia nitrate?