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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: doekiller]
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11/21/19 01:59 PM
11/21/19 01:59 PM
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Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL
Out back
Grumpy Old Man
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Grumpy Old Man
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 30,910
Clanton, AL
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Im on tier 2 retirement and i absolutely hate it...on tier 1 i could retire at 48, draw probly $12-1500 per month and put another 10-15 years on another job. Now, if i want to retire ive got to work here til im 62...which aint happnin...id have to wirk here for 40 years exaxtly to retire and draw anything. Most people have to work well past 62 before they retire. I probably won't live until 62, I surely couldn't imagine working that long.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: JBL]
#2962834
11/21/19 02:18 PM
11/21/19 02:18 PM
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Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 7,765 Hartselle, AL
trlrdrdave
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Posts: 7,765
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I have a friend that planned when she was in high school. Teach and retire in Alabama then moved across the line into Tennessee and retire there too. She only has a couple years left on her plan. Think she got in the admin side now though.
"In time of war, send me all the Alabamians you can get, but in time of peace, for Lord's sake, send them to somebody else." General Edward H. Plummer
"Blessed are those who, in the face of death, think only about the front sight." Jeff Cooper
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: Semo]
#2962842
11/21/19 02:42 PM
11/21/19 02:42 PM
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Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 33,437 Your mom’s house
doekiller
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 33,437
Your mom’s house
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2021 19.06% 6.00% 2020 21.14% 6.00% 2019 20.90% 6.00% 2018 16.81% 6.00% 2017 14.27% 6.00% 2016 14.27% 6.00% 2015 13.15% 6.00% 2014 12.28% 6.00%
While we are generically talking of pensions... Georgia's state contribution on left and teacher (6%) on right. Tell me how that is sustainable?
Oh, and how did it work out that alabama used a bunch of its pension money to invest in properties in the state of AL (i remember that high-rise in mobile. talk about risky and shady at the same time.) The RSA properties have been a very big boost for the retirement system.
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: trlrdrdave]
#2962871
11/21/19 03:12 PM
11/21/19 03:12 PM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,931 Jackson Co.
JBL
OP
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OP
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Posts: 1,931
Jackson Co.
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I have a friend that planned when she was in high school. Teach and retire in Alabama then moved across the line into Tennessee and retire there too. She only has a couple years left on her plan. Think she got in the admin side now though. I wish I would have been as smart as her!
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: jawbone]
#2962876
11/21/19 03:21 PM
11/21/19 03:21 PM
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Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 280 Gate City
quailmanman
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Posts: 280
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wow. if you add up all of the benefits, base pay etc. they are 6 figure employees and technically work part time in comparison to other professions. That is a statement of exceeding ignorance. enlighten me.
If I woke up tomorrow with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than I am now. -Clark
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: doekiller]
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11/21/19 03:22 PM
11/21/19 03:22 PM
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Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 280 Gate City
quailmanman
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A number of years ago, RSA made some bad investments. But, the hotels and golf courses have made a solid return. I saw somewhere they were going to start investing in luxury movie theaters... i didn't think anyone went to the movies anymore.
If I woke up tomorrow with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than I am now. -Clark
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: doekiller]
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11/21/19 03:23 PM
11/21/19 03:23 PM
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Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 5,806 Georgia and Missouri
Semo
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Posts: 5,806
Georgia and Missouri
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A number of years ago, RSA made some bad investments. But, the hotels and golf courses have made a solid return. I didn't really dig into the numbers. but it looks like they are only looking better in terms of valuation, not really income. So, I understand that we do the same with stocks and bonds, but those valuations are "accurate" due to the market liquidity. I just find it too "central planning" and man does it open things up to corruption. Maybe there are still more blue dogs around than will admit it.
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: quailmanman]
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11/21/19 03:58 PM
11/21/19 03:58 PM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,931 Jackson Co.
JBL
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A number of years ago, RSA made some bad investments. But, the hotels and golf courses have made a solid return. I saw somewhere they were going to start investing in luxury movie theaters... i didn't think anyone went to the movies anymore. I didnt think so either. Movie sales were in decline last I heard and the money is now in producing shows.
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: quailmanman]
#2962972
11/21/19 05:14 PM
11/21/19 05:14 PM
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Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 26,839 Fayetteville TN Via Selma
jawbone
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 26,839
Fayetteville TN Via Selma
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wow. if you add up all of the benefits, base pay etc. they are 6 figure employees and technically work part time in comparison to other professions. That is a statement of exceeding ignorance. enlighten me. My wife is a teacher. She has to be at work at 7AM. She leaves work at 530PM. Every day. She get two days of her choosing off during the year. A week at Christmas and a week in the Spring. She gets two months off during the summer, but has to spend 1-2 weeks of that in training. Then she spends another week or more of the summer preparing her classroom for the next year. I'm not even going to go into the phone calls at night from parents wanting to know why Johnny didn't make an A on his test even though a glance at his homework folder should tell you the answer. Anyone that thinks teaching is remotely a part-time job is ignorant of all the job entails. If you do the math you will find that teachers, even accounting for Summers and Holidays average working well over 40 hours a week. That is not part time. As for benefits, my wife has been a teacher for 27 or 28 years now and would like to retire, but the cost of the great PEEHIP insurance doesn't allow that. My retiree insurance from the City of Selma is much better and cheaper than PEEHIP.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: JBL]
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11/21/19 06:23 PM
11/21/19 06:23 PM
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Posts: 4,680 Alabama
Rmart30
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My ex was a public middle school teacher. in jefferson county. We were married while she was in college and for about 3 years after that while she was a teacher. I can assure anyone who thinks its a part time job it isnt. There was plenty she did at home every weeknight as far as grading papers, reading paper assignments, lesson planning etc. Id say she spent on average 2 hours a weeknight on it. That doesnt count the phone calls from students, parents or other teachers. I have no idea what she makes now but i can tell you that the pay her first 3 years sucked so bad she took a weekend and summer job for us to make ends meet. The pay those first few years iirc just barely covered her student loans.
Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching - even when doing the wrong thing is legal. Aldo Leopold .. (except when it comes to trailer tags)
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: HippieKiller]
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11/21/19 07:23 PM
11/21/19 07:23 PM
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Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,842 NW AL
Hayzeus
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Military is eligible for the GI bill... teachers have to pay for their own degree.
Unless something has changed in the last 25 years,that G.I. Bill ain’t free.
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: Hayzeus]
#2963078
11/21/19 07:39 PM
11/21/19 07:39 PM
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Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,517 Land of the free because of th...
mike35549
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Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,517
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Military is eligible for the GI bill... teachers have to pay for their own degree.
Unless something has changed in the last 25 years,that G.I. Bill ain’t free. Everything in the military has changed in the last 25 years. Including the way they help pay for college, the amount of college you have to get to be promoted, and the retirement. On another note the national guard is the best deal going for a person to get college paid for.
Last edited by mike35549; 11/21/19 07:40 PM.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: doekiller]
#2963106
11/21/19 08:03 PM
11/21/19 08:03 PM
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Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 43 Alabaster
UAHunter31
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Posts: 43
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Im on tier 2 retirement and i absolutely hate it...on tier 1 i could retire at 48, draw probly $12-1500 per month and put another 10-15 years on another job. Now, if i want to retire ive got to work here til im 62...which aint happnin...id have to wirk here for 40 years exaxtly to retire and draw anything. Most people have to work well past 62 before they retire. Working until 62 is a little bit different when you are a fireman or PO.
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: jawbone]
#2963151
11/21/19 08:41 PM
11/21/19 08:41 PM
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Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 5,509 Luverne
tbest3
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wow. if you add up all of the benefits, base pay etc. they are 6 figure employees and technically work part time in comparison to other professions. That is a statement of exceeding ignorance. enlighten me. My wife is a teacher. She has to be at work at 7AM. She leaves work at 530PM. Every day. She get two days of her choosing off during the year. A week at Christmas and a week in the Spring. She gets two months off during the summer, but has to spend 1-2 weeks of that in training. Then she spends another week or more of the summer preparing her classroom for the next year. I'm not even going to go into the phone calls at night from parents wanting to know why Johnny didn't make an A on his test even though a glance at his homework folder should tell you the answer. Anyone that thinks teaching is remotely a part-time job is ignorant of all the job entails. If you do the math you will find that teachers, even accounting for Summers and Holidays average working well over 40 hours a week. That is not part time. As for benefits, my wife has been a teacher for 27 or 28 years now and would like to retire, but the cost of the great PEEHIP insurance doesn't allow that. My retiree insurance from the City of Selma is much better and cheaper than PEEHIP. X2 on everything jawbone said. My wife is a teacher as well. She works her ass off.
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: jawbone]
#2963168
11/21/19 09:05 PM
11/21/19 09:05 PM
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Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 6,781 Pelham Al
Tigger85
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14 point
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 6,781
Pelham Al
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wow. if you add up all of the benefits, base pay etc. they are 6 figure employees and technically work part time in comparison to other professions. That is a statement of exceeding ignorance. X1000 It's so great now at tier #2 that are so many openings as they can't find people to fill positions. The Legislature is having to change it to something called tier 3 now. If you think you can retire on $25000 a year, go for it.
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Re: Teacher spinoff
[Re: doekiller]
#2963174
11/21/19 09:15 PM
11/21/19 09:15 PM
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Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 6,781 Pelham Al
Tigger85
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Posts: 6,781
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A number of years ago, RSA made some bad investments. But, the hotels and golf courses have made a solid return. Bull shoot. RSA investments are sound but a private group that broke several pension systems they took over came in and did their own study. Of course it came out low as figures don't lie but liars can figure. RSA would do better but they invest in Alabama. The legislators are always trying their best to get ahold of that money so they can spend it. In 2008 everything was a bad investment. Who upgraded the State docks for Thyson-Crump? RSA money. Who bought a closed aluminum can facility in north Al and sold it to a company who now has the Budweiser can contract? RSA
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