True I’m just talking about selling to a hunting operation not breeding. He could possibly sell them for $12-15k for breeding purposes if not more.

What makes this so dificult is the emotion involved because the prize deer were killed and or stollen. I don't like it but the law may very well look at it like kids vandalizing or stealing a mans $70,000 dozer on a worksite. A slap on the wrist pay some fines and move on. The OP is right about the law catching them before owner does. I am afraid law will not bring justice for the victims. But it rarely does.

What’s this Ricky fellows last name? Just curious. I think I know him. As for the $4k tops loss comment, a buddy of mine used to be in the breeder buck business and he once paid over $20k for a single deer. And that one wasn’t even one of the expensive ones.

Yeah I’ve got a friend in Kansas that paid that much just for semen from a top buck. He said the buck was worth over $200,000. I know he sold some of his bucks to a high fence operation for $15,000 a piece and that’s been about 8 or 9 years ago.

I second this, strikeu by your math and reasoning since you are retired therefore have little to no income potential and are obviously full of shucks then you are worthless as well. Actually since it will cost 10k-15k to bury you then you are actually a loss to society at this point an unfunded liability as they call it. Yet I suspect your family don’t see it this way or maybe they do I don’t know. The two bucks were worth considerably more than your piss poor math as the market sets the price, and a 180” two year old stocker this year brought $5500, a 220” brought $8500. These were shooter bucks and not something with strong enough genetic potential to want to breed with. The two bucks in question were superior animal and probably based on the market would bring 12k-25k each.

Fortunately how you feel about this has little to no bearing on what they are valued at. Maybe you are but hurt over the industry as a whole, or just truely clueless I don’t know but your math is wrong.

help me out... just saying I have no clue doesn't hep me support your cause. I want to help out but I don't understand,

give me the $$ or reasoning. just because I don't understand doesn't mean I don't care

They've got fencing that needs replacing, lost revenue and replacement costs.
$4,000 in 2019 mine as well be $400.

guys!! I'm all over helping and caring....I mean I'm supportive in any way. just because I don't understand doesn't mean I don't care...

Strike u maybe you aren't aware and I am by no means an expert. But I believe alot of these deer are now used as studs and sell sperm straws for AI just like catlle do. So a breeder buck is worth more than a high pen buck with just a price on him. These bucks coud have sold semen for several years to come which have generated much income and I have heard of people paying ridiculus prices for these type deer. Not sure if this helps.

hey man, I didn't call anyone worthless....you have my apologies for even asking a question. I hope my burial doesn't cost you anything

Theys a lot of money tied up in deer selling operations...inwasnt joking when unsaid they sell semen for more than your estimate...big bucks make big money...it aint worth that much to me to kill one but it is some people...hell I've seen young bulls go for 15k couple weeks ago at a sale

I don’t give a rip about high fence hunting, but surely you can see that the market price to hunt deer of these caliber are far in excess of $4k. Plus, downstream opportunity lost from their breeding, plus fencing replacement, plus increased security from here on out.

If you want to understand here are published rates in the state for basic hunting packages. Again these are not breeder quality stock although Crimson Whitetails has some absolute giants and some of his shooters are better genetics than some farms breeders.
http://crimsonwhitetails.com/hunts/

The swamp Whitetails
http://www.theswampwhitetails.com/rates

Hurricane Creek
https://hurricanecreeklodge.com/rates/

Does anyone know if the Livestock Invetigators are involved in this? A friend, Dairy Farmer, had a registered cow and bull shot one time by drunk teenagers. Them Livestock boys didn't play and had confessions shortly. Breeder bucks bring expensive prices just through semen sales. I've heard of some bringing $50000.00. I've seen bulls at Auburn bring $320000.00 when they had the bull test sale there. Same bull brought over 1.5 million later.

I've seen pictures of a buck from Crimson Whitetail. It was a 3-1/2 YO that scored over 400"

That is one of my best friends he has a few over 400 currently.. He is awesome at what he does. He is also the best hunter I have ever seen if he gets after a deer or turkey it had just as well give up cause it's as good as dead.

You are totally clueless

I remember a devastating occurrence several years on a local breeder farm. A guy was LEGITIMATELY offered $150K for his #1 buck. He turned it down. 2 weeks later one of his other bucks killed #1.

Unfortunately that is the nature of the business. We lost 4 bucks this year between October 1, and October 10th, which really hurt as that was half the stock we were selling next year. So it went from being a profitable year to a break even year next year in 10 days with those 4 deaths. We had already cut them off as they had shed but EHD was still kicking on our place.

Damn Shots, I would of brought those bucks in the house and sprayed em down.