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Re: Loggers stealing stands
[Re: LIOJeff]
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12/09/19 03:15 PM
12/09/19 03:15 PM
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Posts: 25,248 Buc-ee’s Beach Express
leroycnbucks
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Same crew that did this bent up a ladder stand. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/Gtbmcr7Y/73-BE09-A6-A62-E-4336-A999-5-DEDB4-F997-EC.jpg) I would feel really safe hunting from that climber.
Proud Army and ALNG veteran God Bless America!
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Re: Loggers stealing stands
[Re: M48scout]
#2979988
12/09/19 04:28 PM
12/09/19 04:28 PM
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Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 3,542 Sumter County
sumpter_al
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I have always my taken stands down before they start. We did have them cut a gum tree down onto one of our shooting houses. They didnt even take the tree, just left it laying across the flattened house. I think they were trying to leave us a message.
I also believe EVERY SINGLE LOGGER I have ever dealt with is a grade A liar. They all say "Yes sir, we will fix the roads and repair any gates we damage. BUT THEY NEVER DO.
LIARS LIARS LIARS
Never met one who wasn't worthless. I know a lot of lawyers who are more trustworthy than a damn logger.
I love my country, but don't trust my government.
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Re: Loggers stealing stands
[Re: M48scout]
#2980027
12/09/19 05:06 PM
12/09/19 05:06 PM
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Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,780 central ala,
centralala
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All the litter, torn up roads, and gates down is a landowner problem. The way it's done here is a buyer and landowner agree on a deal. In that deal there is "performance bond". The last timber I sold I required a $5000 performance bond. When the loggers were through the roads had to be fixed passable by a 2wd truck, gates back to my satisfaction, and no litter. All this was spelled out in the contract. I held that money until everything was done within a certain time frame after completion of the logging operation. If not, I would keep the money. I have also negotiated after the logging operation was complete, to keep the performance bond and fix everything myself. The landowner is responsible for getting things done. He should not return the bond until then. If he didn't require a bond, well, expensive lesson learned.
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Re: Loggers stealing stands
[Re: M48scout]
#2980037
12/09/19 05:22 PM
12/09/19 05:22 PM
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Posts: 8,992 bessemer, al
hunterturf
14 point
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Have had good and bad crews. The worst crew was in south al. They tore up 3 ladder stands (one of which was leaned up against my camper, he used 2 sections of the ladder to I guess trim limbs off trailer and then left them in the road. Pushed a shooting house on skids out into a field and put the corner of a blue thru the side of it. And let but not lease have him on camera driving within 5’ of a tripod feeder, passing it but stopping still in the fields of view, backing up past the feeder then going back forward and running over it. He’s looking out the window at it when the front tires hits it
Give me bout 15 more minutes, I was dreamin about beavers.......... Si Robertson
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Re: Loggers stealing stands
[Re: centralala]
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12/10/19 06:34 AM
12/10/19 06:34 AM
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Posts: 1,826 lauderdale co
brushwhacker
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What centrala said: I am a logger an a hunter .i have gotten cussings many times from hunters but as a hunter i try not let it bother me. Most hunters just dont understand they dont own the land they hunt on . Hunters pay for the RIGHT to hunt nothing else. The landowner is responsable for gates property lines an things like that. I can tell you if your a logger an dont hunt then u hate them dang hunters that put treestands on every tree an plant food plots right where you need a loading deck. If u lease from a big timber company i can promise u the timber will be cut sometimes within 15 to 20 yr rotation so plan on food plots an stands being in the way. The timber company could care less about your stand or food plot. They just want your money. The money from hunting lease is trivial compared to timber sale price. Lot of bigger companies are contracting out the leasing to a different company so they dont have deal with hunters. That the reason lot of lease prices are going up to pay middle man.If you dont pay there is someone out there that will. If you own your own land please use a forester an get performance bond put up from just for safeguard your land if you have timber cut. No its not normal for loggers to steal stands. The company i work for has a cutting budget an send the lease holder maps of what to be cut the next yr so they can move stand or plots. I doze hunters plots on jobs i cut if they ask me an i do it for free. If i find a stand i take it down an move out to side of road. I know there is bad people in every profession but its not the normal for loggers to be thiefs . We have a million dollars worth of equipment sitting in backside of nowhere just tempting every crackhead head around to steal radiators, batteries or hunters to shoot holes in everything just because we damaged their food plot.I know loggers get a bad rap but most are good honest hardworking folks that love being in the outdoors like the hunters do.
Brushwacker
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Re: Loggers stealing stands
[Re: brushwhacker]
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12/10/19 07:38 AM
12/10/19 07:38 AM
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Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 6,090 Hoover, AL
M48scout
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Hoover, AL
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What centrala said: I am a logger an a hunter .i have gotten cussings many times from hunters but as a hunter i try not let it bother me. Most hunters just dont understand they dont own the land they hunt on . Hunters pay for the RIGHT to hunt nothing else. The landowner is responsable for gates property lines an things like that. I can tell you if your a logger an dont hunt then u hate them dang hunters that put treestands on every tree an plant food plots right where you need a loading deck. If u lease from a big timber company i can promise u the timber will be cut sometimes within 15 to 20 yr rotation so plan on food plots an stands being in the way. The timber company could care less about your stand or food plot. They just want your money. The money from hunting lease is trivial compared to timber sale price. Lot of bigger companies are contracting out the leasing to a different company so they dont have deal with hunters. That the reason lot of lease prices are going up to pay middle man.If you dont pay there is someone out there that will. If you own your own land please use a forester an get performance bond put up from just for safeguard your land if you have timber cut. No its not normal for loggers to steal stands. The company i work for has a cutting budget an send the lease holder maps of what to be cut the next yr so they can move stand or plots. I doze hunters plots on jobs i cut if they ask me an i do it for free. If i find a stand i take it down an move out to side of road. I know there is bad people in every profession but its not the normal for loggers to be thiefs . We have a million dollars worth of equipment sitting in backside of nowhere just tempting every crackhead head around to steal radiators, batteries or hunters to shoot holes in everything just because we damaged their food plot.I know loggers get a bad rap but most are good honest hardworking folks that love being in the outdoors like the hunters do. Thanks for the loggers perspective brushwhacker.
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Re: Loggers stealing stands
[Re: M48scout]
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12/10/19 08:04 AM
12/10/19 08:04 AM
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Posts: 10,977 coffee county
goodman_hunter
Booner
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Booner
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one of the guys who's land i hunted told me that he is having his timber cut this year and they have sole rights to his property for one year. So therefore i couldn't hunt. Is there any truth to this? Cause i have never heard of that before, i probably wouldnt have hunted there anyways but didnt know if that was the truth or he just didnt want me to invest any time and money only to have my hunt ruined by the loggers.
"A moment of realization is worth a thousand prayers"
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Re: Loggers stealing stands
[Re: M48scout]
#2980603
12/10/19 08:09 AM
12/10/19 08:09 AM
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Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,327 Chattanooga, Tennessee
lckrn
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My one and only experience they clear cut the ridge I had a ladder stand on and it was the only tree left standing when my brother went to get the stand for me. That white oak was gone by the end of the day.
Finally deported myself from the peoples republik of Kaliforkistan.
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Re: Loggers stealing stands
[Re: M48scout]
#2980763
12/10/19 10:32 AM
12/10/19 10:32 AM
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Posts: 38,489 N. Bama
257wbymag
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You beat me to it timbercruiser. I ran a hydro axe while in college one Christmas break. I couldn’t see jack out of the windshield esp early morning when sun was rising. Visibility is very limited in one.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Loggers stealing stands
[Re: M48scout]
#2980872
12/10/19 12:14 PM
12/10/19 12:14 PM
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Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 1,826 lauderdale co
brushwhacker
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Never heard of a logger having sole rights to property. Usually a logging contracter has 18 month contract to log a private individuals property unless its just a handshake deal. Lot of trust between land owner an logger to do a handshake job anymore. If you have paid a lease the land owner should refund your money if you can t hunt that yr because he dont want you too. A logger having sole rights to someone else of property for yr. something fishy in that deal. Just my two cents worth.
Brushwacker
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Re: Loggers stealing stands
[Re: brushwhacker]
#2980883
12/10/19 12:29 PM
12/10/19 12:29 PM
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Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 10,977 coffee county
goodman_hunter
Booner
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Booner
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Posts: 10,977
coffee county
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Never heard of a logger having sole rights to property. Usually a logging contracter has 18 month contract to log a private individuals property unless its just a handshake deal. Lot of trust between land owner an logger to do a handshake job anymore. If you have paid a lease the land owner should refund your money if you can t hunt that yr because he dont want you too. A logger having sole rights to someone else of property for yr. something fishy in that deal. Just my two cents worth. thats what i thought too, i was hunting for free even though i offered to pay. By free i mean i trimmed cleaned roads and planted food plots a fixed stands. And would hunt around his schedule. There's some other factors that would take to long to explain, but basically i have never heard of what he was saying, but just thought this was a good place to ask.
"A moment of realization is worth a thousand prayers"
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