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Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2980897
12/10/19 12:44 PM
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The Timber/Logging industry is a Cut-Throat Ruthless deal these days. Most logging Companies are not Timber Buyers themselves. A Timber Broker/Buyer cuts the deal with the Landowner....He/She has a time sensitive quota Deal with the Mills....a Certain window of time to deliver X amount of wood to the Mill or He/She can be penalized...Kind of like not meeting a finish date on a Building and having to pay Liquidated Damages. Broker then hires an Independent Logging Crew to cut the timber.....Some Brokers have no Scruples and will screw over the logging crew. These 2 Entities being Independent of One Another can set the stage for:"I don't give a damn about this land or the owner....I'm here to get this Wood Out and Head for another Victim".....I've seen it several times...

Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2980934
12/10/19 01:38 PM
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Logger buddy of mine just called and asked “Do all prick assholes live in Hoover?”
He said if he was a little closer, he’d whoop original poster’s arse.
He felt this thread painted with a pretty broad brush.


“Killing tomorrow’s trophies today.”

On the distance I like to walk to my stands:
“The first 100 yards is also the last 100 yards.”
Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2980945
12/10/19 01:46 PM
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Well, the OP was asking a question, not painting with brushes. Some of the folks who replied did though. Some made it clear most in the profession are good people.

But, yes this asshole lives in Hoover

Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2980961
12/10/19 01:58 PM
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In all seriousness, many have replied that, no, most loggers don’t set out to steal people’s stuff. So I’ll take that as the answer to my question. And to the extent the topic painted them in a bad light, I apologize.

Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2980968
12/10/19 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by M48scout
In all seriousness, many have replied that, no, most loggers don’t set out to steal people’s stuff. So I’ll take that as the answer to my question. And to the extent the topic painted them in a bad light, I apologize.


I wouldn't apologize. You asked a serious question and by the replies I would say there are some shady guys getting on crews in the state. IMO it probably has to do more with the amount of corporate land and gov't land that is used for pulp production. That can lead to some poor management practices. Heck, I am in alabama about every week or two in the summer. It almost makes me want to puke when I see some of the logging practices employed by some crews. Makes me wonder if soil conservation ever is discussed by some. By the way some people tear up others land I have no doubts they would steal stuff off too.

I'm sure the quality loggers are just as put off by some of these practices as I am.

Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2981054
12/10/19 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by M48scout
Well, the OP was asking a question, not painting with brushes. Some of the folks who replied did though. Some made it clear most in the profession are good people.

But, yes this asshole lives in Hoover


I already commented once that every time I had timber cut I had no problem with fixed position ladder stands being damaged or stolen.

The patch I just cut had one ladder stand in the woods that I forgot to put red flagging tape around it - and the log crew saw it anyways and went around it no problem.

They were a was a really good crew. Even got them to use their skidder to carefully brush the logging debris out some food plots where they were through cutting so I could plant them in front of that early October tropical storm rain we got. And the skidder operator who did it was actually proud that it allowed me to get some planting done - especially when he saw how fast it came up. He kept saying "I was the one who brushed it out!!"


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Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: Overland] #2981066
12/10/19 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Overland
Much of what loggers do and how they leave the land, roads, logging decks and gates is a result of what the landowner requires. I require that all roads are returned to previous condition, all trash is removed from the site, logging decks are cleaned up and gates locked each and every day. I pay a managing forester to ensure it is done to my specifications and he helps select logging crews that will do the job I want done. Lots of landowners simply want the cash and don't care so much about the condition in which the property is left after the logging operation is complete. Yes, there are bad logging crews, but a lot of times it is the lack of concern from the landowner that is the issue.

Had a logging crew cutting a neighbor's property fail to mark property lines, roll across a three strand bared-wire fence in multiple places and cut about 40 white oak trees. On top of that, they ran over a ladder stand and threw all of their trash across the fence onto my property. This act constituted theft and after going round and round with them, we finally received compensation.

This landowner cares how it's left. When they cut it's all spelled out in the contract. Things like roads are too be back like they were, no excessive rutting, even deposits made in case roads need gravel after cutting


Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2981106
12/10/19 04:07 PM
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How would they feel if you stole their equipment? Is that normal?

Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2981169
12/10/19 04:52 PM
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Some of y’all should go start a logging crew. It only costs a couple million...


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Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2981179
12/10/19 05:05 PM
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I mighta been stirring the pot a tad. But my buddy who is in the business was a little upset.


“Killing tomorrow’s trophies today.”

On the distance I like to walk to my stands:
“The first 100 yards is also the last 100 yards.”
Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2981376
12/10/19 08:35 PM
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SFI , sustainable forestry initiative, is a nationwide standard that all loggers have to abide too. Most mills will not take wood if its not from a sfi forest. logging companies have to follow the rules an regulations set by sfi. I am considered a tn master logger an al professional logger manager. I had to attend a week of classes to get this an have to attend 1 day of training every two yrs to keep it up to date. We cannot haul to the mills if someone on job does not have this qualification. Safety, invasive species,bmps,water quality an many other things are taught at these classes. Every job i do is subject to a third party inspection some time after we are done for the company i work for to keep their sfi certification. When we leave job i do all bmp work like water bars for erosion, clean loading decks an fix any rd damage because my reputation an job is on the line. We never make any ruts , leave garbage an don t drain any fuel or oil on ground. Home depot or lowes will not sell lumber if it not harvested from a sfi certified forest. Its stamped on tag on end of lumber. If any one know a logger that doesnt do these things contact the alabama forest commission they are logging police.they will inspect job an the logger will have fix the problems or can be fined. I know some loggers don t follow the rules an they make the rest of us look bad.most of us don t steal treestands an tear everything all to hell. I see the job as a profession because ive made a good living doing it for 35 yrs.we are a dying breed because younger generation doesn t have any interest working in heat, mud, cold or driving a truck.


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Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2981388
12/10/19 08:49 PM
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Just like row crop farmers. I hear ya.


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Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: brushwhacker] #2981451
12/10/19 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by brushwhacker
SFI , sustainable forestry initiative, is a nationwide standard that all loggers have to abide too. Most mills will not take wood if its not from a sfi forest. logging companies have to follow the rules an regulations set by sfi. I am considered a tn master logger an al professional logger manager. I had to attend a week of classes to get this an have to attend 1 day of training every two yrs to keep it up to date. We cannot haul to the mills if someone on job does not have this qualification. Safety, invasive species,bmps,water quality an many other things are taught at these classes. Every job i do is subject to a third party inspection some time after we are done for the company i work for to keep their sfi certification. When we leave job i do all bmp work like water bars for erosion, clean loading decks an fix any rd damage because my reputation an job is on the line. We never make any ruts , leave garbage an don t drain any fuel or oil on ground. Home depot or lowes will not sell lumber if it not harvested from a sfi certified forest. Its stamped on tag on end of lumber. If any one know a logger that doesnt do these things contact the alabama forest commission they are logging police.they will inspect job an the logger will have fix the problems or can be fined. I know some loggers don t follow the rules an they make the rest of us look bad.most of us don t steal treestands an tear everything all to hell. I see the job as a profession because ive made a good living doing it for 35 yrs.we are a dying breed because younger generation doesn t have any interest working in heat, mud, cold or driving a truck.


I am familiar with the master logger program in Missouri. Alabama looks like they have yet to adopt or design a program, though auburn does have a 2 day course.

Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2981530
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I've had good dealings and bad dealings with logging crews. Bad side left gates open so cows could get out. Stole everything that was and wasn't nailed down. Was a real prick to deal with and stole trees on our land. Ran over line markers so they couldn't tell where they were off the land they were cutting. Good bunch were the nicest guys you would want to meet. Let me even borrow a loader. Cleaned up after themselves.

Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2981702
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Hire PRO’s, foresters, buyers/brokers,loggers, check there credentials get a performance bond. You’ll get what you pay for, that’s been my experience.
Never had anything stolen during a cutting or thinning practice.

Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2982521
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Well just like any other profession you have good and bad people I've worked in the logging industry for the better part of my life never worked on a crew that would steal stands , we'd put them in a pile at the landing or leave the tree up with a stand attached in some cases . We would avoid cutting around shooting house or deliberately tear up or leaving anything in the plots and respected the gates by asking landowner to take it down or we would and let landowner put back up if they wanted relocate it. Then again I've seen and experienced some outlaw crews but not all loggers are like that well let me rephrase it all of the hard working old time blue collar loggers are dying out now the quality of help depends on finding a green horn or some unquestionable looking character.

Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2982640
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The title should have read "Thieves stealing stands" because that's the only profession that this would be normal

Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2982809
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Kind of timely. Just got a text from the forester telling me to move my feeder as the thinning crew is moving in Monday. Also will have the crew cut a North South shooting lane at the location. Communication will make it a win/win but pine pulp prices SUCK!!!

Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: M48scout] #2982978
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if you actually knew the loggers were stealing your stands and equipment, I'd wait for them to all get in the equipment and leave their trucks somewhere then blow them up or destroy them somehow and call it even.... just a random thought laugh


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Re: Loggers stealing stands [Re: Fishduck] #2983201
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Originally Posted by Fishduck
Kind of timely. Just got a text from the forester telling me to move my feeder as the thinning crew is moving in Monday. Also will have the crew cut a North South shooting lane at the location. Communication will make it a win/win but pine pulp prices SUCK!!!


We just got an awesome ppw price on a crappy crappy 20 acre tract


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