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Re: To many doe days???
[Re: daniel white]
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12/30/19 05:53 PM
12/30/19 05:53 PM
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East Alabama
MorningAir
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East Alabama
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One thing that worries me about them changing and going to doe days or x number of does per hunter is that it may make things worse. If they go back to doe days, the hunters that don't know whether or not the land can handle killing does are going to be on vacation, or take days off and go on a full slaughter, just because they can.
If they go to x number of does, the killers are going to shoot every doe, fawn, or knot head they see because in their mind they can only kill so many.
I've seen this with some bowhunters looking on Faceboook pages. They want to get those first 2 or 3 kills in with their bow for meat, or to give a few deer away to people that want meat, and the first 3 weeks of bow season is a social media extravaganza of milk sacks and titties to show they got em one. That may happen during gun season if they change it.
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Re: To many doe days???
[Re: Rocket62]
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12/30/19 06:59 PM
12/30/19 06:59 PM
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Jackson County
BrentM
Mr. Turkey
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Mr. Turkey
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Jackson County
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Deer are easy to manage, people are not. Well said Amen to that Kinda sums up the whole thread
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Re: To many doe days???
[Re: daniel white]
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12/30/19 07:09 PM
12/30/19 07:09 PM
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Kennedy, al
globe
Booner
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Booner
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Kennedy, al
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I’ve shot deer countless, countless times for other people, and bow season is perfect for that. I personally don’t see anything wrong with that. Somebody who wants meat and doesn’t hunt, imo should get some help. I live in a small town though, it’s what we do. What I’ve seen that’s happening all over the state that IS bad is shooting a deer and giving it to the processor. That hunter has no skin in the game. If they burned a tag on that deer, they’d choose wisely.
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Re: To many doe days???
[Re: MorningAir]
#2998093
12/30/19 07:10 PM
12/30/19 07:10 PM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 52,123
Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
Joined: Dec 2002
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Round ‘bout there
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the first 3 weeks of bow season is a social media extravaganza of milk sacks and titties This made me laugh. 
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: To many doe days???
[Re: Clem]
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12/30/19 07:38 PM
12/30/19 07:38 PM
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Posts: 27,175
Fayetteville TN Via Selma
jawbone
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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Fayetteville TN Via Selma
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The "one size fits all" approach isn't in effect anymore, compared to years ago when we didn't have the A-B-C zones we have now.
I'd guess we will have more changes coming after another year or three of GameCheck. Whether you believe the numbers are flawed, skewed, somewhat accurate, "only 30 percent" being reported or whatever, it's what we have and will be used.
Right now, the total is 44,629 deer reported since opening day. I can't believe that is true after 2.5 months. There are easy ways to get around GC for those who don't want to report and/or aren't reporting. But it's what we have.
Do we want to be like Louisiana or Arkansas with two dozen zones, dates, limits? I don't. They have about two dozen zones and a map that looks like a Rorschach test. I also know the "one size" approach likely isn't the best for management, although I (and probably others) prefer it for simplicity's sake.
Gotta be some middle ground, which I think we're in now with the A-B-C zones and ability for tweaks when necessary.
The middle ground would be like I said, fewer doe days but let the people that want to kill more does participate in the Deer Management Program and get the appropriate number of doe tags. People quit participating simply because there are enough doe days that doe tags are not needed to shoot as many as you want or need.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: To many doe days???
[Re: William]
#2998111
12/30/19 07:41 PM
12/30/19 07:41 PM
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Joined: Dec 2009
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Land of the free because of th...
mike35549
12 point
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Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,517
Land of the free because of th...
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No one's forcing anyone to shoot does.
All this over regulation has me sitting out deer season again. It's absurd. The same people that think you can manage a herd of animals across an entire state are the same ones that think you can manage the weather (global warming). You can't. The answer is, of course, to do as much as you can locally to accomplish whatever your goals are. The old frame work of does days gave the landowner and club member the tools to manage locally, but that's not conducive to bigger gov't, increased power and revenue, and telling other people what to do. So you didn't hunt this year because of over regulation, but the state gave you less regulations this year than we had last year. From your post is sounds like you actually want more regulation. Which I don't have a problem with just trying to figure out your post.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: To many doe days???
[Re: daniel white]
#2998119
12/30/19 07:45 PM
12/30/19 07:45 PM
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Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,114
Jasper
buckhunter2
10 point
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10 point
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,114
Jasper
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I hunt Franklin, Winston and Marion counties primarily and occasionally Pickens.
No doubt about it, there are more deer in the first three counties listed where I hunt there than have ever been in the last 20 yrs. The limited # of doe days piss me off b/c they fall during the first week of season and the middle of the rut (the two best times to kill a good buck).
I need to shoot about 5 more does in each spot but it won’t happen b/c I’m not spending the week of the rut shooting does.
You're only as good as your worst shot-
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Re: To many doe days???
[Re: Clem]
#2998126
12/30/19 07:51 PM
12/30/19 07:51 PM
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Posts: 9,914
USA
marshmud991
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USA
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The "one size fits all" approach isn't in effect anymore, compared to years ago when we didn't have the A-B-C zones we have now.
I'd guess we will have more changes coming after another year or three of GameCheck. Whether you believe the numbers are flawed, skewed, somewhat accurate, "only 30 percent" being reported or whatever, it's what we have and will be used.
Right now, the total is 44,629 deer reported since opening day. I can't believe that is true after 2.5 months. There are easy ways to get around GC for those who don't want to report and/or aren't reporting. But it's what we have.
Do we want to be like Louisiana or Arkansas with two dozen zones, dates, limits? I don't. They have about two dozen zones and a map that looks like a Rorschach test. I also know the "one size" approach likely isn't the best for management, although I (and probably others) prefer it for simplicity's sake.
Gotta be some middle ground, which I think we're in now with the A-B-C zones and ability for tweaks when necessary.
Clem is right. If you decide to go hunt deer somewhere here in Louisiana, you better do your research to make sure that the season for that area is open. And also find out what the regs are on what can be killed.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: To many doe days???
[Re: Clem]
#2998131
12/30/19 07:57 PM
12/30/19 07:57 PM
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Posts: 8,600
Grays Creek, NC
bigcountry692001
14 point
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14 point
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Posts: 8,600
Grays Creek, NC
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the first 3 weeks of bow season is a social media extravaganza of milk sacks and titties This made me laugh. This needs to be a signature line lol
"You cant manage a deer herd with acorns."
-Dr. Craig Harper
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Re: To many doe days???
[Re: AlabamaSwamper]
#2998156
12/30/19 08:25 PM
12/30/19 08:25 PM
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Posts: 999
Monticello
Jason Carroll
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Posts: 999
Monticello
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Limits won’t work
50% of the deer killed so far hasn’t been checked in as it is How do you know it's 50%?
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Re: To many doe days???
[Re: Out back]
#2998178
12/30/19 08:40 PM
12/30/19 08:40 PM
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Posts: 4,455
North AL
just_an_illusion
10 point
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10 point
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 4,455
North AL
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The problem is that people think of wildlife as "my property if it's on my property". But it's not.
Wildlife is a natural resource, hence the "Dept of Conservation and Natural Resources " title. This sums it up perfectly. Alabama has been so "free" and unlimited for so long its just the way it is now. Bunch a damn heathen outlaws that don't give 2 chits about the resource as a hole. It's gonna take a mentality change for things to get any better. Some place got plenty of deer some places not so much. My places here in NW Marshall and SE Madison counties have no where near the deer numbers we had 20 years ago. Some of that is due to habitat loss from the exploding housing market, some due to EHD and coyotes. But the biggest factor is the damn night shooters and the folks who kill everything they see. Until that can be overcome I'm afraid it'll only get worse.
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Re: To many doe days???
[Re: buckhunter2]
#2998184
12/30/19 08:44 PM
12/30/19 08:44 PM
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Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,517
Land of the free because of th...
mike35549
12 point
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12 point
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,517
Land of the free because of th...
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I hunt Franklin, Winston and Marion counties primarily and occasionally Pickens.
No doubt about it, there are more deer in the first three counties listed where I hunt there than have ever been in the last 20 yrs. The limited # of doe days piss me off b/c they fall during the first week of season and the middle of the rut (the two best times to kill a good buck).
I need to shoot about 5 more does in each spot but it won’t happen b/c I’m not spending the week of the rut shooting does.
I didn't know Marion Co had doe days.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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