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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: Clem]
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02/17/20 08:34 AM
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Do they post WMA numbers?
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: Clem]
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02/17/20 09:18 AM
02/17/20 09:18 AM
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Why haven't people started talking about their own area and separating it from other areas instead of acting like the whole state needs their "cure?" And if this is not what the thinking is, come up with how the state can be divided. Damn, how many times can we cover this?
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: Mbrock]
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02/17/20 09:28 AM
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I didn’t say it was down. I’ve never thought compliance was high. I hope it gets better. I personally hope it crashes so badly that even Chuckie will abandon it and use a system that actually works....like report last years kills when you buy a new license. Adopting a flawed, non working system and applying criminal penalties for not using it is something a Nazi would of been proud of....
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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02/17/20 11:33 AM
02/17/20 11:33 AM
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So if they estimate that only 35% of Hunters reported their kills, wouldn’t our total harvest be somewhere around 157,106 bucks and113,663 does?
Of course that is all hypothetical but one thing that appears to stand out is that we have killed many more bucks than does. It reminds me of the numbers from when we had doe days. I wonder how many will be beating the drum to lower the buck harvest per hunter?
I am HUGE into changing the buck limit. I don't care what # they set but set a # on bucks more reasonable. Approximately 120 bucks per year, legally, with only 3 being antlered is totally contradictory to what the program (recording) was started as in 2007. It was meant to get a better age structure meaning getting more bucks to older age. Allowing 117 knob heads per hunter, per season makes absolutely no sense. I want someone to explain how killing knob heads will get more older age bucks. As I said, I don't care where they set the limit but make it a BUCK limit. Exactly how is a hunter, that's looking for meat, gonna know that the small deer at 200 yards in a button head or doe? Hunters should be able to shoot what they want and not have to satisfy every big rack management wannabe that comes along. IF Alabama DCNR wanted to implement a season to grow older bucks the season would be cut down to just a few weeks total, or LESS. Throw that out there and see what it gets you. For this sole program, it's really simple. A buck is buck and recorded accordingly. A doe is a doe. If a meat hunter shoots a knob head, ok, he records it as a buck. If the State sets the limit at 1 or 10 bucks it's still a buck. And for this program , the percentage of bucks it each category is all that matters. We obviously read this study different because I never once saw anything about "big rack management." Not antler size, not weight, not if they where nocturnal. Didn't matter if it was a 6 yo spike or a 6 yo 20 pt. They were equal because age was all that mattered. You read more into than me. For this program if.We are trying to reach.certain percentages in each age group, it doesn't matter if they are killed at 6 weeks or 2 years, they not going to contribute to the older age group ever.
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: Clem]
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02/17/20 11:45 AM
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It always has bugged me that a "buck" isn't considered a buck unless the antler was broken through the hairline.
A buck has antlers and male sex organs. It's easy to determine that it's a buck. And if you shoot one even by mistake, it should be counted as a buck within the 3-buck limit. There should be no minimum-inch requirement. If it has male sex organs and knobs, antlers through the hairline or a 39-point rack, it's a buck.
The issue is that "mistake" part. Danny Deerhunter shoots a knobhead and then says, "Crap, I don't wanna check that as my buck." So he doesn't check it. Or he leaves it in the woods and says he missed. Or he sticks it in the truck under a tarp and heads home.
If getting an appropriate buck age structure is the key, a buck should be a buck and a doe a doe.
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: Clem]
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02/17/20 12:36 PM
02/17/20 12:36 PM
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"they" aren't interested in "appropriate age structure" or that wouldn't of passed all the stupid shitt that has been passed which goes counter to increasing the number of bucks.
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
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02/17/20 03:09 PM
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I didn’t say it was down. I’ve never thought compliance was high. I hope it gets better. I personally hope it crashes so badly that even Chuckie will abandon it and use a system that actually works....like report last years kills when you buy a new license. Adopting a flawed, non working system and applying criminal penalties for not using it is something a Nazi would of been proud of.... I agree it doesn't work mainly because it is hard for GWs to enforce. A much easier way of enforcement is to do what so many other states do and issue tags that must be placed on an animal before transporting it. This would certainly make enforcing the three buck limit easier. Look at how other states do it and then modify it as needed for our state. The Devil's Advocate response to this though is that Chuckie would want to find a way to charge Lifetime License holders and other license exempt persons for these tags. That issue would have to be dealt with before this becomes a reasonable alternative to Game Check.
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: Clem]
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02/17/20 04:13 PM
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They don't have to issue tags.
Ohio requires a tag on deer but allows the hunter to make it with whatever he/she wants. Paper in a baggie, cardboard, the back of a grocery receipt, whatever it is, as long as it has ODNR's required info on the tag. Then the hunter must call the ODNR check or go online to report within x-number of hours to get the confirmation number.
Some states issue tags but their fees are more than ours for license and/or permit. Alabama could issue tags but it probably would have to charge for a "deer tag permit" or something, which would be on top of the license cost.
I like the Ohio DNR option better. I can make a tag out of my own stuff, put it in a baggie, zip-tie it to an antler or ear, and I'm done as far as having a physical tag.
It ain't difficult.
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: Clem]
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02/17/20 05:21 PM
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It's damn easy to tell a button head from a doe. Damn easy.
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: Clem]
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02/17/20 05:31 PM
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A buck is a buck at our place. You shoot a button head or a 150”(that ain’t never happened) it goes to the buck limit. If it has nuts, it’s one of your bucks.
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
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02/17/20 05:32 PM
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It's damn easy to tell a button head from a doe. Damn easy. Yes Sir it is!!!
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: Clem]
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02/17/20 05:48 PM
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I always tell anyone that doesn't know or is unsure, a doe will have a round head. Button bucks will usually be alone and have flat heads.
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: 257wbymag]
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02/17/20 05:53 PM
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The long AL deer season is by far the most detrimental thing to the AL deer herd. I think shortening season would solve lots of things, who needs 3 .5 months to kill 3 bucks. How can game check ever be used ,since there is absolutely no scientific way to ever square the numbers that I am aware of.
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: jawbone]
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02/17/20 07:35 PM
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I didn’t say it was down. I’ve never thought compliance was high. I hope it gets better. I personally hope it crashes so badly that even Chuckie will abandon it and use a system that actually works....like report last years kills when you buy a new license. Adopting a flawed, non working system and applying criminal penalties for not using it is something a Nazi would of been proud of.... I agree it doesn't work mainly because it is hard for GWs to enforce. A much easier way of enforcement is to do what so many other states do and issue tags that must be placed on an animal before transporting it. This would certainly make enforcing the three buck limit easier. Look at how other states do it and then modify it as needed for our state. The Devil's Advocate response to this though is that Chuckie would want to find a way to charge Lifetime License holders and other license exempt persons for these tags. That issue would have to be dealt with before this becomes a reasonable alternative to Game Check. Don't think tags would be much better in my opinion. Same tactics to avoid prosecution would be used. Dept won't let wardens work processors, My Lt had us work detail at area processors last year, 1 hour or 6 tickets whichever came first, compliance rate was about 10 percent, most places wrote 6 tickets on the first 6 came in. We got in trouble,told never do it again.
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
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02/17/20 07:39 PM
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I didn’t say it was down. I’ve never thought compliance was high. I hope it gets better. I personally hope it crashes so badly that even Chuckie will abandon it and use a system that actually works....like report last years kills when you buy a new license. Adopting a flawed, non working system and applying criminal penalties for not using it is something a Nazi would of been proud of.... I agree it doesn't work mainly because it is hard for GWs to enforce. A much easier way of enforcement is to do what so many other states do and issue tags that must be placed on an animal before transporting it. This would certainly make enforcing the three buck limit easier. Look at how other states do it and then modify it as needed for our state. The Devil's Advocate response to this though is that Chuckie would want to find a way to charge Lifetime License holders and other license exempt persons for these tags. That issue would have to be dealt with before this becomes a reasonable alternative to Game Check. Don't think tags would be much better in my opinion. Same tactics to avoid prosecution would be used. Dept won't let wardens work processors, My Lt had us work detail at area processors last year, 1 hour or 6 tickets whichever came first, compliance rate was about 10 percent, most places wrote 6 tickets on the first 6 came in. We got in trouble,told never do it again. Yeah I have to agree. I think it's bad for business and there's no reason to punish a small business man. He's got enough government troubles already.
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: Clem]
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02/17/20 07:44 PM
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I don't have strong feeling one way or another. Bad for business in what way do you think ?
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
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02/17/20 07:50 PM
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I don't have strong feeling one way or another. Bad for business in what way do you think ?
Well it's not a processor's job to enforce regulations. Basically that's what you're forcing upon him when you set up in his parking lot. It wouldn't bother me at all, I've complied with the gamecheck since it came out. But I know the struggles of the small business man. And I wouldn't be in favor of anything that negatively affects his customer volume.
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Re: Game Check final deer numbers for 2019-20
[Re: Clem]
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02/17/20 07:53 PM
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I see your point, making processors regulators. I'm pretty sure in other states processors won't receive any untagged deer, what is the difference in those processors and ours.why you think those other states processors don't mind. I think I have read here on Aldeer that they will even call the game warden in folks that bring in untagged deer. Don't know if any of that is true. I have no personal experience with it. Just read that here.
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