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Re: Engineers
[Re: GomerPyle]
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02/18/20 11:10 AM
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With the 98, it was like they tried to cram 10# of potatoes into a 5# sack. No room to work at all...if something needed replacing you'd have to remove 4 other things first just to get to it. But in this 2013 5.0, you pop the hood and everything's just kinda there. So much less crowded under the hood.
It only looks that way because half the engine is in the cab. There's 3 feet of air space between the grill and the fan. Try replacing plugs or and intake and you'll change your mind.
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Re: Engineers
[Re: gcr0003]
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02/18/20 01:33 PM
02/18/20 01:33 PM
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Posts: 14,250 Chilton County
MarksOutdoors
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Booner
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Also, if you want stuff to last longer you’re going to pay more on the front end. I think most joe blows would prefer a moderate life cycle and cheap sparring costs. This. A good engineer engineers quality into the design. Every conceivable failure is accounted for and designed against.
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him." -G. K. Chesterton
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Re: Engineers
[Re: DryFire]
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02/18/20 01:45 PM
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WmHunter
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Once they design a vehicle, they should be forced to change the oil filter, all spark plugs and the battery. Yep
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Re: Engineers
[Re: NSDQ160]
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02/18/20 01:51 PM
02/18/20 01:51 PM
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Engineers are not sustainment oriented people. They think about operating in perfect conditions, not operating in adversity. I work with engineers everyday (i'm in the helicopter business, Army). I used to work in a building that determined the airworthiness of helicopters. Easily over half of that building had never put their hand on a helicopter, much less flown in one.... yet they would tell us that .001" damage was too much on certain components.
Move to today we have engineers that tell us we need to inspect certain components or pull heads at X amount of hours. It drives me CRAZY!!! Don't get me wrong, they're all smart, geniuses even but they lack common sense.
The really smart engineers are the one's who realize they don't know things and rely on the former maintainers or crew dogs to tell them how a helicopter really operates.
I used to have a chart up in my cube that said 5% of all knowledge is chit you know (green), 10% is chit you know you don't know (yellow) and the other 85% is chit you don't know you don't know (red). If you can take some red and make it yellow, you'll be the smartest guy in the room.... it doesn't even take green to do that. Similar to what I used to tell trainees. 85% of problems can be solved if you know what NOT to do.
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Re: Engineers
[Re: NSDQ160]
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02/18/20 05:16 PM
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Move to today we have engineers that tell us we need to inspect certain components or pull heads at X amount of hours. It drives me CRAZY!!! Don't get me wrong, they're all smart, geniuses even but they lack common sense.
A lot of that is to cover their ass. The heads will probably last twice X amount of hours, but lawsuits and such.
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Re: Engineers
[Re: whack-n-stack]
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02/18/20 08:55 PM
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I don't think you guys are looking at this from a corporation perspective. You want your engineers to design things that REQUIRE people to come back to you for repairs. You really think those engineers aren't doing these things on purpose.
If your repair and parts department is ~25% of your overall business, how long is an engineer going to keep their job if they are reducing a huge section of your business?
Combine that with tying to make things as small as possible to keep costs down while meeting every possible regulation for every state in the country, and you end up with your product.
I’d argue they could sell more vehicles if they advertised how easy it is to work on and maintain. If I couldn’t decide between two trucks priced the same, I’d pop the hood and pick the one that looked less complicated, less plastic shrouds, and least amount of wires in the way. They would sell more no question. But dealerships have it like they want it. Profit from vehicle sales and finance are but a small portion of their profit compared to service. Service is the money maker.
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Re: Engineers
[Re: TravisBatey]
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02/18/20 09:57 PM
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Posts: 2,114 Hamilton/Auburn
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I am an engineer, and have interviewed, hired, mentored, and trained 100’s. I use to help with recruitment for one of the largest engineering companies in Huntsville and there is a lot of truth in this thread and also a lot of fallacies as well. I will say that engineers atleast the good ones design to the specification given often cost and reliability being one of those. Look at modern cars they routinely run for 200,000 miles yes they are a PIA to work on but tell me how many need major repair in that time? This is a result of engineering well that and better manufacturing tolerances. I will say that hands on skills are diminishing at an alarming pace in engineers as few actual do anything hands on in their youth. I grew up on a farm mechaniced on wore out tractors, trailers, vehicles, and everything else in between, and then went on to work in a mobile home plant my first few years in college to building and remodeling house to pay for my degree. All of this taught me to be a better engineer. The ones you get today rarely have this kind of experience, but I will take a poor kid who grew up on a farm with a 2.5gpa to a kid with a 4.0 and no experience 3 to 1.
Life is difficult Science prevails over bulldoodoo and superstition every time
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Re: Engineers
[Re: PaintRock0]
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02/18/20 10:25 PM
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I married an Engineer both my boys 28 and 30 yrs old are Engineers. . I'm like ya'll some thing are not engineered to be worked on. Both boy's fish hunt change there own oil work on chain saws and lawn mowers. They know alot about hand tools nd how to use them. I see in our young engineers where I work in the high voltage field repairing and doing maintenance. The young folks these days have great book since and no working knowledge. There mother was all about them being Engineers and boy I'm I glad she did they can support themselves. $$ BUT I knew by me working in the field with my hands that they needed to know how thing work. (moving parts and how to fix it) With all this said Raise Engineers we need them in the world BUT teach them common since and how things work. Sense.
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Re: Engineers
[Re: Out back]
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02/18/20 10:27 PM
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James
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I married an Engineer both my boys 28 and 30 yrs old are Engineers. . I'm like ya'll some thing are not engineered to be worked on. Both boy's fish hunt change there own oil work on chain saws and lawn mowers. They know alot about hand tools nd how to use them. I see in our young engineers where I work in the high voltage field repairing and doing maintenance. The young folks these days have great book since and no working knowledge. There mother was all about them being Engineers and boy I'm I glad she did they can support themselves. $$ BUT I knew by me working in the field with my hands that they needed to know how thing work. (moving parts and how to fix it) With all this said Raise Engineers we need them in the world BUT teach them common since and how things work. Sense. 🤣
Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many!
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Re: Engineers
[Re: TravisBatey]
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02/18/20 11:15 PM
02/18/20 11:15 PM
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Posts: 17,079 Madison
BowtechDan
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Maybe those "engineers" can design Highway 231......oh wait.
Nathan Carl Goff 19 Sept 2016 - 14 Jan 2017.
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