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Should be a rule in any river tournament in any conditions that you must have a functioning engine.
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Should be a rule in any river tournament in any conditions that you must have a functioning engine. There should be several rules, in addition to what they have, when it comes to kids/high school teams. Rules such as, conditions/ water levels must be favorable. Every boat must have some type of emergency beacon. Every participant must have an emergency beacon attached to their PFD, etc...
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I am still confused why it doesnt appear they even attempted to call for help at any given point. Even if it happened in a matter of 60-120seconds like I read somewhere you can call 911 and at least tell them what is happening in that time frame so that they could dispatch help. Now where that help got there in time to help or recover is a different story.
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I am still confused why it doesnt appear they even attempted to call for help at any given point. Even if it happened in a matter of 60-120seconds like I read somewhere you can call 911 and at least tell them what is happening in that time frame so that they could dispatch help. Now where that help got there in time to help or recover is a different story. No signal maybe ? I know a lot of places I fish are dead zones as far as a cell signal is concerned
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Could have been in panic mode too. I imagine the water was pushing that boat at a pretty good click. I’m just guessing that the adult was busy trying to start the motor rather than fool with a phone. We’ll probably never know.
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TWRA has confirmed video footage of the boat going through the floodgates around 8:30 Saturday morning with all 3 on board. I haven’t found any reports that they got the outboard running. The tournament director gave them permission to use the trolling motor and go ahead and fish. ALL of this is documented. Wiley, do you know if the tournament director allowed them to go out like that as a competitor, or if they had withdrawn from the tournament and he told them they could go out on their own? I ask because if they were competing, the director should have never left if they didn’t check back in. If he had released them from the tournament, and they were out on their own, he may not have known they weren’t back. The school tournaments my boys have been in stress the fact that you are required to check in, even to the point of disqualifying the whole school team if a single boat leaves without checking in. I assumed they all did that to deter someone from leaving early without being accounted for. Also, I saw a TWRA update video a little while ago stating they are officially changing the status to a search and recovery. It’s no longer a rescue in their eyes. CD, what I read said (paraphrasing) "they were given permission to use the trolling motor". That sounds to me like they were given permission to compete. I believe boats were allowed to launch from whatever ramp they wanted and that's why their truck and trailer weren't noticed till late in the incident. Now, that last statement is just me expressing whet I believe and may not be correct/factual.
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TWRA has confirmed video footage of the boat going through the floodgates around 8:30 Saturday morning with all 3 on board. I haven’t found any reports that they got the outboard running. The tournament director gave them permission to use the trolling motor and go ahead and fish. ALL of this is documented. Wiley, do you know if the tournament director allowed them to go out like that as a competitor, or if they had withdrawn from the tournament and he told them they could go out on their own? I ask because if they were competing, the director should have never left if they didn’t check back in. If he had released them from the tournament, and they were out on their own, he may not have known they weren’t back. The school tournaments my boys have been in stress the fact that you are required to check in, even to the point of disqualifying the whole school team if a single boat leaves without checking in. I assumed they all did that to deter someone from leaving early without being accounted for. Also, I saw a TWRA update video a little while ago stating they are officially changing the status to a search and recovery. It’s no longer a rescue in their eyes. CD, what I read said (paraphrasing) "they were given permission to use the trolling motor". That sounds to me like they were given permission to compete. I believe boats were allowed to launch from whatever ramp they wanted and that's why their truck and trailer weren't noticed till late in the incident. Now, that last statement is just me expressing whet I believe and may not be correct/factual. Fished tournaments for years never even had a tourny director ask if engine was good. Have trolled out from blast off many times and never a word said about it,but that being said wasnt fishing a mile from a dam either
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TWRA has confirmed video footage of the boat going through the floodgates around 8:30 Saturday morning with all 3 on board. I haven’t found any reports that they got the outboard running. The tournament director gave them permission to use the trolling motor and go ahead and fish. ALL of this is documented. Wiley, do you know if the tournament director allowed them to go out like that as a competitor, or if they had withdrawn from the tournament and he told them they could go out on their own? I ask because if they were competing, the director should have never left if they didn’t check back in. If he had released them from the tournament, and they were out on their own, he may not have known they weren’t back. The school tournaments my boys have been in stress the fact that you are required to check in, even to the point of disqualifying the whole school team if a single boat leaves without checking in. I assumed they all did that to deter someone from leaving early without being accounted for. Also, I saw a TWRA update video a little while ago stating they are officially changing the status to a search and recovery. It’s no longer a rescue in their eyes. CD, what I read said (paraphrasing) "they were given permission to use the trolling motor". That sounds to me like they were given permission to compete. I believe boats were allowed to launch from whatever ramp they wanted and that's why their truck and trailer weren't noticed till late in the incident. Now, that last statement is just me expressing whet I believe and may not be correct/factual. Fished tournaments for years never even had a tourny director ask if engine was good. Have trolled out from blast off many times and never a word said about it,but that being said wasnt fishing a mile from a dam either I know hindsight is 20/20 but I wouldn't fish a mile upstream of dam regardless...i been stuck on water before
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I'm guessing they were in panic mode when they realized what was gonna happen, probably trying to get the motor started, which at that point would be their only chance of getting out of the situation. Or they could have just froze up when the reality of the situation hit. Praying for the family of these guys and maybe there will be a miracle, or at least some closure. As far as why they were reported missing so late, there are probably several possible ways this could happen. My wife said if the dad was a single father with weekend/joint custody and the friend was staying for the weekend it could easily get to Sunday night before they were reported missing.
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I really dont know how the high school stuff is. It may be like other tourneys and not have a mandatory check in at the end of the day
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I really dont know how the high school stuff is. It may be like other tourneys and not have a mandatory check in at the end of the day My boys fish/have fished Alabama Bass Nation and ASABFA and both require checking in. They have a Bass Nation tournament this weekend and I guarantee this will be a talking point at the pre-tournament meeting. I don’t know what organization those guys were fishing with, but I can’t imagine them not having to check in.
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Is there more than one orginization for high school tournys?
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I hate to be the one to say it, but that tournament director may have some legal liability.
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From what i understand, the water flows over the flood gates at Pickwick Dam so there is nothing that would stop a boat from going over. At all the dams I’ve ever been to, the water flowed under the gates but i still think a boat could be sucked under the gate, not really sure.
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