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The numbers were a tool
#3080606
03/26/20 12:21 PM
03/26/20 12:21 PM
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bill
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Some of us have been saying this for 2 weeks. The model that created all the panic, with huge, ridiculous numbers is backtracking now and has reduced their orginal projections for the UK from 500,000 dead to 20,000 dead. These are the people you trusted? We have been scammed and some of you bought in, hook line and sinker. By the way, 3.2 million more Americans filed for unemployment, last week. We are a freaking brain dead society and deserve what's coming for trusting our sovereignty to people that hate us. Link to article at the bottom of the commentary. From Steve Deace: Unless Jesus chooses today to return, you will not learn more important news than what I am about to share with you, I promise. #Coronavirus is vicious. Don't forget that. However, the real contagion here was the panic caused by folks like Imperial College. We were among the first to confront their models showing millions dead, and expose their university activism at their heart of their worldview bias. Now, the man who oversaw their simulations is waving the white flag. His simulation said 500,000 people would die in the UK alone. Now he's saying it will be under 20,000. As I told you they would, he's trying to save face by claiming the social distancing he advised saved the UK. Except the UK was among the last to implement it, so there's no way it's had time to flatten their curve so dramatically. No, he's either a fraud or something much worse. Don't ever forget who these people are, and what they tried to do to your way of life. Ever. Short of salvation, they are never to be trusted again. Here's the truth. The real contagion here was the panic caused by the likes of Imperial College, which was adopted whole cloth by the "experts" at face value without any scrutiny, and then amplified by our hysterical media. His simulation said 500,000 people would die in the UK alone. Now he's saying it will be under 20,000. Just a bit outside. As I told you they would once the truth came out, he's now trying to save face by claiming the social distancing he advised saved the UK. Except the UK was among the last to implement it, so there's no way it's had time to flatten their curve so much. The panic was BS. All. Of. It. Thank God that He lets us live in a country with the freedom to ask the critical questions, and the next time this is tried let's resolve to not so easily surrender those freedoms without more information. Praise God this was exposed now, before it could've done incalculable damage to our way of life with another several weeks if not months to poison us. Needless to say, this needs to be shared everywhere. https://www.newscientist.com/articl...e-units-for-coronavirus-expert-predicts/
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles" - Bauvard
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Re: The numbers were a tool
[Re: FreeStateHunter]
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03/26/20 01:10 PM
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I’m not sure if you could classify them as an overreaction yet could you? Or even at all. From what my simple mind understands it was a novel virus, meaning from animals, so we had no idea how it would react or mutate or anything. If someone in the medical field built a model they’re going to be on the conservative side for safety reasons, to avoid inherent risks. They can’t decide for a government how they react to that model. The model and the government’s reaction to the model are mutually exclusive.
I do think that once this virus started affecting the economy the Democrats saw it as a way to somehow help their chances for re-election but I don’t think the information was being rolled out in the beginning intentionally sensationalized from the medical professionals, I believe they were just preparing for the worst while hoping for the best. Did you read the numbers? They have adjusted the numbers down from the ridiculous 500,000 estimate to 20,000. So 480,000 less than originally thought. Why would anyone trust anything they put out after that?
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles" - Bauvard
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Re: The numbers were a tool
[Re: woodduck]
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03/26/20 01:19 PM
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Any original and updated numbers on US cases? Original model numbers I saw projected that 150,000,000 (basically half the US population) would get it in the US and the death rate would be around 3%, if I'm remembering correctly. Nobody is showing the new models that I can find. I know that Gov Andrew Cuomo was saying, as late as Monday morning, that they expected over half the NY state population, or 10,000,000 New Yorkers, to come down with it (Note: ten million projected cases and they are sitting 37,000 cases right now so they have a ways to go) Then Monday he said that "the number of new cases daily" was doubling every 2 days, then on Tuesday he said it was doubling every 2.7 days then this morning, he said "It appears almost too good to be true but the numbers now show it is only doubling every 4.7 days." It is definitely slowing down based on that data. Especially given the massive ramp up in additional testing that has been going on from Monday until now which should be generating a significantly higher daily number of additional positive cases.
Last edited by abolt300; 03/26/20 01:22 PM.
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Re: The numbers were a tool
[Re: bill]
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03/26/20 01:25 PM
03/26/20 01:25 PM
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The near total economic shut down was unnecessary.
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" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: The numbers were a tool
[Re: abolt300]
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03/26/20 01:35 PM
03/26/20 01:35 PM
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bill
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Any original and updated numbers on US cases? Original model numbers I saw projected that 150,000,000 (basically half the US population) would get it in the US and the death rate would be around 3%, if I'm remembering correctly. Nobody is showing the new models that I can find. I know that Gov Andrew Cuomo was saying, as late as Monday morning, that they expected over half the NY state population, or 10,000,000 New Yorkers, to come down with it (Note: ten million projected cases and they are sitting 37,000 cases right now so they have a ways to go) Then Monday he said that "the number of new cases daily" was doubling every 2 days, then on Tuesday he said it was doubling every 2.7 days then this morning, he said "It appears almost too good to be true but the numbers now show it is only doubling every 4.7 days." It is definitely slowing down based on that data. Especially given the massive ramp up in additional testing that has been going on from Monday until now which should be generating a significantly higher daily number of additional positive cases. People are slow to admit they were wrong or were taken in by the hype. There is a segment that will rationalize with the " better safe than sorry" mantra without considering the impact the overreaction had on the economy and the future of our country.
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Re: The numbers were a tool
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03/26/20 01:56 PM
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Did someone on ALDeer order the economic shutdown or something? Public perception helps shape policy. Our government bought in too , and I believe, felt forced into an overly cautionary reaction to the predictions. . I'm hopeful that , based on what he's said, Trump is ready to get the country back to work and ignore the hysteria and nonsense that will follow. Some even from people who would otherwise support him.
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles" - Bauvard
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Re: The numbers were a tool
[Re: bill]
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03/26/20 02:00 PM
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Its still going to be a while....at least the DG's and Walmarts are full of people all getting in the same line.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
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Re: The numbers were a tool
[Re: Skinny]
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03/26/20 02:10 PM
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Anytime there is a catastrophe there is always one school of thought that says prevent the worst case scenario and then hope for the best. I, on the other hand, prefer the school of thought in Incident Command that says plan for what is realistic but be fluid and prepared to deal with worse. Its still going to be a while....at least the DG's and Walmarts are full of people all getting in the same line. I went to DG an hour ago and it was well stocked except for cleaning supplies according to the sign on the door, not crowded at all, and myself and the two others in line respected each others distance and this was in Selma where rudeness is a way of life for about half the population (of both predominate races, if anyone is reading something into that remark that is not intended)
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Re: The numbers were a tool
[Re: bill]
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03/26/20 02:15 PM
03/26/20 02:15 PM
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Did someone on ALDeer order the economic shutdown or something? Public perception helps shape policy. Our government bought in too , and I believe, felt forced into an overly cautionary reaction to the predictions. . I'm hopeful that , based on what he's said, Trump is ready to get the country back to work and ignore the hysteria and nonsense that will follow. Some even from people who would otherwise support him. In today’s world don’t governments have to be overly cautious..... that’s risk assessment 101 or should I say liability 101. I have to ask are you a medical professional or a reader of internet material? I ask because you just sound so angry at someone in your posts. If you’re talking to someone specific address them but I’m not sure writing as if everyone in the world was wrong but you is the way to get anyone to listen to your point of view.
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Re: The numbers were a tool
[Re: KYLongGun]
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03/26/20 02:36 PM
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I'm not a medical professional so maybe I'm not qualified to have an opinion but this model influenced the medical community, too. To the other poster above you, damn right I'm angry that we've let people who hate us influence our nation's policies and create irrational fears that have put the economy on life support.
Last edited by bill; 03/26/20 03:03 PM.
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Re: The numbers were a tool
[Re: bill]
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03/26/20 03:13 PM
03/26/20 03:13 PM
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Perfect Answer---- I JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THIS!!
As said, just hope there's no dramatic mutation later.
And I hope it doesn't rear it's ugly head when cool weather hits later in the year.
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Re: The numbers were a tool
[Re: bill]
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03/26/20 03:18 PM
03/26/20 03:18 PM
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I'm not a medical professional so maybe I'm not qualified to have an opinion but this model influenced the medical community, too. To the other poster above you, damn right I'm angry that we've let people who hate us influence our nation's policies and create irrational fears that have put the economy on life support. Imagine a like button here.
Whoever is happy will make others happy too. Anne Frank
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Re: The numbers were a tool
[Re: bill]
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03/26/20 04:00 PM
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sgtred
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I think folks that panic are responsible for panicking. Just because someone tells you to panic don't mean you got to.I don't trust stats ,never have , never will ,the are compiled by humans. I do believe this virus was a public health threat that , public health measures , needed to take place.
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Re: The numbers were a tool
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03/26/20 08:45 PM
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sgtred
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Out Backs silence is deafening...I think he was the original "I told you so" on here...just saying.
It was all BS from the beginning...the panic, the numbers...yes it needs attention and precautions but 2, or 3 weeks ago..a month..the hype was off the charts..now we see it was all pretty much crap.
I wouldn't call what's happening in New York, New Orleans crap.
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