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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: toothdoc]
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05/09/20 03:34 PM
05/09/20 03:34 PM
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goodman_hunter
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I see you missed the point I didn't miss a damn thing. I want to see ALL the evidence. None of us know if the guy was armed a few minutes earlier and ditched a weapon unbeknownst to the shooters. WTF is wrong with wanting ALL the evidence laid out. Are you that phucking stupid? I think the uproar is that these guys were not arrested until this video was released to the public. You don't arrest people on grounds that they are guilty. You arrest people on grounds that based on evidence they are possibly guilty and the burden is on the prosecutor to prove that. I think any reasonable person can see this video and come to the conclusion that warrants an arrest. Guilty is another question all together. Wasn't the delay due to the da recusing himself because he had worked with one of the shooters and also had several interactions with the deceased and alot of his family due to him and his family being criminals?
"A moment of realization is worth a thousand prayers"
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: imadeerhntr]
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05/09/20 07:00 PM
05/09/20 07:00 PM
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MarksOutdoors
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I just read today where there video came out of him inside a house, and he was wearing boots jogging and also had a hammer on himself. Post up a link to read.
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him." -G. K. Chesterton
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: Red Fox]
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05/09/20 07:25 PM
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Abbhudsmon, I too would like to know all the facts before convicting anyone. But if there was an armed person running down the street that I live on and my family lives on, I would certainly arm myself and probably confront him as to what his intentions were. Now that doesn't give me or anyone else the right to gun down someone. But as said before all the facts need to be known. Arming yourself to protect you house/family on your property is one thing and I think if he ended up getting shot you would be within the law. Once you arm yourself and go confront him on a public road I don't think you get to claim self defense. That's just my understanding (and I am no legal scholar), I could have that wrong.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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05/09/20 09:30 PM
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I see you missed the point I didn't miss a damn thing. I want to see ALL the evidence. None of us know if the guy was armed a few minutes earlier and ditched a weapon unbeknownst to the shooters. WTF is wrong with wanting ALL the evidence laid out. Are you that phucking stupid? I think the uproar is that these guys were not arrested until this video was released to the public. You don't arrest people on grounds that they are guilty. You arrest people on grounds that based on evidence they are possibly guilty and the burden is on the prosecutor to prove that. I think any reasonable person can see this video and come to the conclusion that warrants an arrest. Guilty is another question all together. Wasn't the delay due to the da recusing himself because he had worked with one of the shooters and also had several interactions with the deceased and alot of his family due to him and his family being criminals? Only "Criminal History" found on Arbery. The Brunswick News has reported Arbery was indicted for allegedly bringing a gun to a 2013 high school basketball game when he was 19. Family attorney Lee Merritt has acknowledged Arbery's 2018 arrest on shoplifting charges.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: Abbhudson]
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05/10/20 07:26 AM
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daylate
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Damn Wiley, he was jogging when they started following him. I usually agree with you, but these bastards need to burn. I was because he was a black guy in an upscale community. Until asshats like these are gone we will continue to have race problems. It would have been different if he had pants revealing his ass and a hoody on, but we know joggers can't jog like that. They were as wrong as wrong could be. I for one hope they pay the ultimate price.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing but want to know what happened before the video started. Do you know what happened other than that video? Are you not curious about that part of it? I'm no lawyer but how does what happened before matter? They were armed and in a vehicle, he was unarmed and on foot. The only way they could have needed to defend themselves was if they put them selves into the situation. If he was breaking into houses you call the cops. Folllow him and tell them where he is sure, stop him in the street and shoot him..no. remember everyone's innocent until proven guilty. I agree with you that what we know about what might have happened before this killing does not justify what these two men did. However, I don't think you can just blanket say that what happened before does not matter. It's like the videos you see of the father jumping on someone in court that has raped or killed his daughter. You only see the guy attacking someone just sitting there and say well, why would what happened before even matter? Not trying to compare the two just illustrating that context CAN matter. In this particular case, I don't think it does.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: daylate]
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05/10/20 08:44 AM
05/10/20 08:44 AM
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Damn Wiley, he was jogging when they started following him. I usually agree with you, but these bastards need to burn. I was because he was a black guy in an upscale community. Until asshats like these are gone we will continue to have race problems. It would have been different if he had pants revealing his ass and a hoody on, but we know joggers can't jog like that. They were as wrong as wrong could be. I for one hope they pay the ultimate price.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing but want to know what happened before the video started. Do you know what happened other than that video? Are you not curious about that part of it? I'm no lawyer but how does what happened before matter? They were armed and in a vehicle, he was unarmed and on foot. The only way they could have needed to defend themselves was if they put them selves into the situation. If he was breaking into houses you call the cops. Folllow him and tell them where he is sure, stop him in the street and shoot him..no. remember everyone's innocent until proven guilty. I agree with you that what we know about what might have happened before this killing does not justify what these two men did. However, I don't think you can just blanket say that what happened before does not matter. It's like the videos you see of the father jumping on someone in court that has raped or killed his daughter. You only see the guy attacking someone just sitting there and say well, why would what happened before even matter? Not trying to compare the two just illustrating that context CAN matter. In this particular case, I don't think it does. Even in that case LEGALLY the father is wrong.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: skidboot77]
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05/10/20 08:56 AM
05/10/20 08:56 AM
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Wiley Coyote
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I never believed the jogging scenario being pushed by the media. I think there had to be a reason for the DA not to immediately charge the shooters. They are guilty of a negligent homicide, but this wasn’t a modern day lynching being pushed by the racial hate mongers. I've read that Arbery lived 40 miles away but can't find anything that confirms that when doing a search. His obit says he lived in Brunswick, so who knows. Still, ALL the FACTS need to come out.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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05/10/20 09:12 AM
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I’ve kept my mouth shut, but I had more faith in law enforcement than what was being pushed by the national media. There is no way they would have not charged if it was as clear cut as being pushed by the racial hate mongers. The shooters are guilty of a crime. They took the law into their on hands and let a situation get out of control, but I’m tired of our legal system and police being under attack.
The whole jogging thing was a lie pushed by local activist and lawyers and repeated by the national media.
Last edited by skidboot77; 05/10/20 09:15 AM.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: skidboot77]
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05/10/20 01:02 PM
05/10/20 01:02 PM
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I never believed the jogging scenario being pushed by the media. I think there had to be a reason for the DA not to immediately charge the shooters. They are guilty of a negligent homicide, but this wasn’t a modern day lynching being pushed by the racial hate mongers. It may be negligent homicide, but the argument could be made that the McMichael's had enough probable cause to make a citizens arrest at which point the fleeing Aubrey attacked, punched dude in the face, grabbed the shotgun and attempted to snatch it away, causing the McMichael's to fear for their lives.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: Hayzeus]
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05/10/20 05:20 PM
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Lots of racists posting in this thread. Maybe I would be safer back in Mexico? I think the inherent problem is not, necessarily, they are racists. Everyone I've seen post believe that the shooters are guilty, based on the available evidence. The problem many have is that there are those in the black community and the media who suppress any crime involving black-on-white but magnify any crime involving white-on-black. I could illustrate the Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome case in, Knoxville, where 5 blacks kidnapped a young white couple. He was raped, had his penis cut off and stuffed in his mouth, shot and burned by the railroad tracks.She was raped by multiple men in every way imaginable, beaten, suffocated and stuffed into a trashcan. The media hardly touched it. Few on here have likely even heard of the case. According to, The Manhattan Institute, “Blacks, in other words, committed 85 percent of the non-homicide interracial crimes of violence between blacks and whites, even though they are less than 13 percent of the population.” If you listen to the media and leaders in the black community, you would be led to believe it was the other way around.
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him." -G. K. Chesterton
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