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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: M48scout]
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05/11/20 12:40 PM
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jawbone
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I guess that’s the question. If he didn’t have stolen property in his hands, and he didn’t break and enter, what felony did they perceive? I’m not a lawyer or exactly familiar with what constitutes a felony, but walking around in a house under construction then running off, doesn’t seem to scream “get the guns boys lets roll”. That is Trespassing (a misdemeanor) unless somehow they can show he had the intent to commit a crime while in the house, then as someone pointed out it becomes Burglary. I saw the video of him in the house looking around is not going to show intent. Now common sense might say he was looking for something to steal, but common sense does not rise to the level of beyond a reasonable doubt. Like Clem said earlier, it is certainly possible that he just wanted to see what the floor plan of the house was going to look like. Those guys are in trouble as they should be. A guy I worked with for years here in Selma, when commenting on another case here, said " When people try to be vigilantes, it is usually them, the vigilantes, that end up in trouble. Best to just get all the details you can and call the law. That is what they are paid the big bucks for."
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: abolt300]
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05/11/20 12:40 PM
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daylate
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I think that regardless of the law or actual circumstances of the encounter, the two white guys will be convicted. They have to be in order to keep the riots at bay.
I think that is why the Feds are trying to justify hate crime charges. There is zero evidence that I have seen that this was a racially motivated killing other than the deceased is a different race than the shooter. That is not proof of a racial motivation. If we are going to make that proof of a hate crime, then every single crime involving persons of different races MUST be prosecuted as a hate crime. No exceptions. No double standards.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: jawbone]
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05/11/20 12:51 PM
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goodman_hunter
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I guess that’s the question. If he didn’t have stolen property in his hands, and he didn’t break and enter, what felony did they perceive? I’m not a lawyer or exactly familiar with what constitutes a felony, but walking around in a house under construction then running off, doesn’t seem to scream “get the guns boys lets roll”. That is Trespassing (a misdemeanor) unless somehow they can show he had the intent to commit a crime while in the house, then as someone pointed out it becomes Burglary. I saw the video of him in the house looking around is not going to show intent. Now common sense might say he was looking for something to steal, but common sense does not rise to the level of beyond a reasonable doubt. Like Clem said earlier, it is certainly possible that he just wanted to see what the floor plan of the house was going to look like. Those guys are in trouble as they should be. A guy I worked with for years here in Selma, when commenting on another case here, said " When people try to be vigilantes, it is usually them, the vigilantes, that end up in trouble. Best to just get all the details you can and call the law. That is what they are paid the big bucks for." what if mcmichaels had seen a previous video of the suspect in the house stealing stuff and the guy shows back up with that bandana around his neck (in febuary before corona masks), would that show intent?
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: canvasback]
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05/11/20 01:51 PM
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Goatkiller
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All this debate sounds good. And some great points are being made. Really. However,
Meanwhile, back in the real world, you're fate will be decided by 12 people selected from a jury pool.
Take Note. Mind your own business Barney Fife. Not your money.
These 2 dumbarses are going to get the chair.
So when you are presented with a similar set of choices (dude running down the street looking suspicious) maybe think about how you aren't a badass and just call the cops and let them handle it.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: canvasback]
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05/11/20 02:24 PM
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Goatkiller
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Right about now.....
I'm figuring the McMichael crew is wishing they had just gone to Wal-Mart like they had originally planned that day. What do y'all figure?
There are lessons to be learned here about making stupid choices, i.e. Just the tip she'll never find out, hold my beer watch this, and in this case, Hi, I'm Max Rockatansky, let's go .
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: jake5050]
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05/11/20 05:52 PM
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bhammedic84
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All he was doing was continuously looking for changes on the plans for his imaginary house lmao I wouldn't doubt there is other video evidence that will come out. I think it's safe to say the jogging narrative portrayed by the race baiting media some of yall go sucked into is total BS. This is trayvon martin and michael brown all over again. The only hope they have of conviction is involuntary manslaughter. I think they will walk on any other charge the prosecutor sets forth aint happening bud. this was straight murder. nothing involuntary about it. when they saw him they knew damn good and well they were going to kill him. hell if anything its premeditated. they had a plan in place and that comes into play when the ol'boy was ridding in the bed of the truck
Turkey’s tell you when they want to die not lawmakers.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: bhammedic84]
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05/11/20 06:01 PM
05/11/20 06:01 PM
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jb20
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All he was doing was continuously looking for changes on the plans for his imaginary house lmao I wouldn't doubt there is other video evidence that will come out. I think it's safe to say the jogging narrative portrayed by the race baiting media some of yall go sucked into is total BS. This is trayvon martin and michael brown all over again. The only hope they have of conviction is involuntary manslaughter. I think they will walk on any other charge the prosecutor sets forth aint happening bud. this was straight murder. nothing involuntary about it. when they saw him they knew damn good and well they were going to kill him. hell if anything its premeditated. they had a plan in place and that comes into play when the ol'boy was ridding in the bed of the truck Why would someone thats been in law enforcement video a straight up murder? I think they recorded it to have evidence, just so happens the evidence will prob show they were in the wrong...i say they get a manslaughter charge
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: jb20]
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05/11/20 06:07 PM
05/11/20 06:07 PM
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bhammedic84
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All he was doing was continuously looking for changes on the plans for his imaginary house lmao I wouldn't doubt there is other video evidence that will come out. I think it's safe to say the jogging narrative portrayed by the race baiting media some of yall go sucked into is total BS. This is trayvon martin and michael brown all over again. The only hope they have of conviction is involuntary manslaughter. I think they will walk on any other charge the prosecutor sets forth aint happening bud. this was straight murder. nothing involuntary about it. when they saw him they knew damn good and well they were going to kill him. hell if anything its premeditated. they had a plan in place and that comes into play when the ol'boy was ridding in the bed of the truck Why would someone thats been in law enforcement video a straight up murder? I think they recorded it to have evidence, just so happens the evidence will prob show they were in the wrong...i say they get a manslaughter charge why are some police that are (were) in law enforcement arrested and convicted of murder or such? not every LE is an angel. do i support LE why you better damn well believe i do, but there are ones out there that are horrible and give LE a bad rap
Turkey’s tell you when they want to die not lawmakers.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: canvasback]
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05/11/20 06:09 PM
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Mjh97
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What a sweet young mistreated black kid this was he has never done anything wrong, he is not a thief or thug and shouldnt be treated as one, thats how the media is gonna portray it, and the white klans men just chased him down and shot him, all whites are horrible racists, blah blah blah, yes he got shot what if those guys and that whole neighborhood was sick of stuff missing and the cops writeing up reports and not getting anything done about it so they found him tried to get him to stand his law abiding self still till cops got there to question him and he thought he was gonna go thug nasty on the old fat white guys and they had to shoot him to get him from taking the gun away, i have had guns pulled on me by different men on 2 different occasions and i stood still just like they told me to and after i explained myself it all worked out fine and they found out i wasnt tresspassing on private land but no way was i gonna try to fight them since they had guns and i did not just a fishing pole, the more i see and read about this iam starting to side with the white guys
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
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05/11/20 06:14 PM
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Skullworks
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I wonder why they didn’t just show all this video evidence to the police before they decided to confront him?
"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer." Jimmy G.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: Skullworks]
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05/11/20 06:21 PM
05/11/20 06:21 PM
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whack-n-stack
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I wonder why they didn’t just show all this video evidence to the police before they decided to confront him? I’ve had stuff stolen, and didn’t file a report because it wasn’t worth the time. They aren’t going to scour the city looking for the chainsaw and blower I had stolen last weekend. It’s my fault for not making sure the garage door went all the way down when I closed it. When I realized the items were stolen at 6:45 Saturday morning, the last thing I wanted to do was call the police over and spend an hour dealing with all that. I know what truck stole it, but I couldn’t get the tag.
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Re: Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia
[Re: Clem]
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05/11/20 06:34 PM
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You don't know that at all.
I've been out jogging before and looked in houses being built. Good thing I'm not black.
Would you take off running if someone asked you what you where doing. He did
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