It's NOT everybody's money. It's the money of those that pay or have paid taxes, not just everyone that votes. HUGE difference. The Federal government BUYS votes with over zealous income/work packages and entitlements. It sounds like you worked hard for your money (and service) and you bring up good points. BUT the system is probably damaged beyond repair.

Most government employees have not gotten a cost of living increase in several years. I know none of the Federal Judiciary employees have. I have listened to them bitch about it over and over again.

And that's exactly why I posted this. Not too long ago there was a thread on here about the same. Obviously there are different standards within the system.

Same with the federal employees I work with.

That is why I am saying...if you know of a problem in the system talk to someone that can do something about it.

I didn't say they were not driving us broke. I just said that if you can see a particular problem area, take it to someone that can do something about it.

Will due respect, that's what I'm doing. A "particular" problem area is an oxymoron when discussing the federal government. If you can help me with a better venue, I'm all ears.

mad because someone got a job... yet constantly gripe about the job market and how it isnt hiring... i might have missed the moral of the story or maybe you just needed some attention and thought ...hey i can get everybody on my bandwagon if i talk about the government... kudos to you for helping the kid and im proud he got a job... i maybe the only one that feels this way but does anyone else get tired of hearing about how terrible things are in the u.s. if you hate it that bad move.... everybody republican democrat white black are gonna do something you dont like.. if you want things perfect for you, run for office,cuz thats the only way to change it .. hell its grown men on here bitching about the same thing everyday like a broken record... talk about man things like beer. killing stuff, and seeing something naked..

Your senator, representative, or someone higher up in the agency in question.

As much as one side of the media would like for you to believe it, the government is not totally incompetent. There are plenty of problems no doubt, but be careful not to throw out the baby with the bath water.

Its a broken system for sure and always has been.

I'm trying to think of one thing our government does well. Provides roads? Nah, private industry can do it cheaper and more efficiently. Protect our borders? Yeah right. Wage war? Sure, but finishing the job and winning aren't high priority anymore. Intrude on and harass its citizens? Pretty good at that. Separate us from our money through excessive taxation and every kind of social program possible? Very good at that. Spend so much money that we have zero chance of surviving as a Democratic Republic? Great at that! I guess the government really does do some things well.

I appreciate your civil discussions. I thought about that, seeing I get the opportunity to sit next to Senator Shelby on the plane about once a month. BUT, have you seen the benefits packages that the group you just mentioned set for themselves? Talk about paid time off and retirement plans??????????? You think they are going to meddle in it? Same exact thing for someone in that organization.

Has the CDC never done anything worthwhile?

Has the space program never done anything worthwhile?

Was brucellosis eradication (or near eradication) not worthwhile?

Psuedorabies?

What about our food supply...food safety is at a level never seen before.

I have found that there are always plenty of excuses to do nothing so I know I can't win that arguement.

Jl, I didn't say that some good hasn't come from them, only that they don't do any job well or efficient. Every agency or program you named has massive amounts of waste and there isn't a single one that isn't corrupted by Money whoring self serving politicians.

The FDA, you mentioned , may be the most corrupt of all and while the food we eat, today , may not kill us instantly but make no mistake, it's killing us. The crap they allow as preservatives and filler are carcinogenic and dangerous without a doubt. You realize they have a so called acceptable level of arsonic (so) they will allow in food? And don't even get me started on the process they use to approve or reject pharmaceuticals.

It's nice to think our government is here for us and working for us but, the truth is , they are criminals and theifs. They just have a more prestigious title.

I was thinking more about the USDA and meat inspection, but since you mention arsenic, you realize arsenic is naturally in the soil? Of course there is an acceptable level. Even if you grow a cucumber in your back yard, it will likely contain some level of arsenic. The only difference is, you won't be afriad of it because you won't be aware of it.

Where are you getting your information about the carcinogens? Not the media or the internet I hope? That is the same media and internet that we have already agreed can't be trusted. A lot of what you hear is no doubt hype because it gets good ratings. Dr. Oz talking about arsenic in food is a perfect example.

So many peope talk about how dangerous our food is, and yet our life expectancy keeps going up and up.

Wasn't trying to bust on you with that statement as I and I am sure most people often do the same thing.

Do you want to give private industry the power of imminent domain?

Yeah, our life expectancy continues to increase because the medical profession continues to progress but make no mistake, the money is in treating the illnesses not in curing them.

Speaking of increasing, cancer is increasing. So are neurological disorders. So is obesity. Our bodies were never intended to ingest the crap they put in engineered and processed foods but it was necessary for big food companies to use them to increase shelf life and productivity so they use money and lobbyist to get them okayed by the FDA. Just because it doesn't kill you today doesn't mean it is fit for human consumption and that it won't kill you eventually. Ever seen a McDonald's Hamburger or a twinkie thats been left out for a
few days? Looks just like it did when it came off the
griddle or package. It doesn't break down like non
processed foods. Big money dictates what gets to
market and what doesn't. What about all the drugs
that have been approved by the FDA that have
been proven unsafe and have killed people? It's
all a racquet and there are drugs available
overseas that aren't available here that have been
kept out of our markets based on politics and
bribery.



As for imminent domain I don't even want our government to have that right unless it's a matter
of national security. They have abused that power like all others they have been intrusted with. So, do I trust our government? Hell no and anyone who does is a naive follower. We should have risen up in revolt years ago when the globalist and socialist co-opted this country but that just seems too extreme so now we are left trying to salvage what little freedom we have left.

Wasn't trying to bust on you with that statement as I and I am sure most people often do the same thing. [/quote]

Surely your not insinuating that I'm the one doing nothing? I got your attention along with several others. I wouldn't trust the federal government with 2 empty peanut shells. I'd say 95% of the leaders are corrupt and 95% of those that work for the leaders know it. So if that's true and it's true that the Fed is spending us broke; what does it say for all those that get their paycheck (or welfare check) from the government?