Originally Posted by BhamFred
dogs are predators...see 2dogs. Deer are prey, there is NO comparison.

you need to find something else to rattle on about.



Originally Posted by CNC
…... if I had to put money on one or the other being more sensitive, I’d go with the deer because they’re a prey species while dogs are predators. Quickly adapting behavior to negative stimuli would be an evolutionary survival mechanism for prey like deer. So I’m guessing they’re probably pretty easily influenced by something they perceive negatively…….and just like in the dog analogy, I’d bet that a severe negative experience(s) while they’re young has the real potential of causing a certain behavior for life as a result of one single event.




Yeah, that’s exactly what I said as well….see above ^^^^….dogs are predators and deer are prey…..the concept of life experiences influencing behavior is the same though

With the exception of one thing I think…..Every since we’ve been talking about this…..each time I’ve wrote about deer being influenced by negative experiences….I keep thinking….”Shouldn’t I really saying both positive and negative??”…..But all tjat I could see deer being heavily influenced by is negative stimuli…..But then I got to thnking more about a dog and it hit,,,,at least I think….hell I could be way off……

If your training a dog……what is the best way to get pretty much any of them to do what you want them to??....Positive reinforcement……Why???.....Because they’re a predator and changing their behavior is gonna be more easily influenced by positive stimuli….It simply a survival mechanism…..A certain behavior gets them a reward of a rabbit or mouse , etc…..and in doing so it potentially influences a change in behavior.to get another "reward". The fundamental reason it happens is so he'll survive as well as "evolve" over time as other things change around him.

Deer being prey are just the opposite….the concept is the exact same but they are more heavily influenced by negative experiences…….That keeps them from doing the chit again and again and getting kilt….I still imagine both predator and prey can be influenced by both positive and negative stimuli….but nothing like the way their influenced by their maim evolutionary driver…….Just think about how poorly negative reinforcement works when training a dog versus positive…..….The deer just has that flipped around…….

So I guess that might be something worth considering when looking at how you approach your hunting and management practices. What impact are you gonna have on all the other deer in the field when you start blasting??.....AND then immediately get down and have them associate it with humans???.....Most recently we’re learning that coyote can have a big impact on deer behavior and what we’ve been discussing is exactly why. Something for folks to think about….I mean, if you’re into that kind of thing…… grin


Last edited by CNC; 05/23/20 08:06 PM.

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