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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: bill]
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04/01/12 02:10 PM
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I was thinking more about the USDA and meat inspection, but since you mention arsenic, you realize arsenic is naturally in the soil? Of course there is an acceptable level. Even if you grow a cucumber in your back yard, it will likely contain some level of arsenic. The only difference is, you won't be afriad of it because you won't be aware of it.
Where are you getting your information about the
carcinogens? Not the media or the internet I
hope? That is the same media and internet that
we have already agreed can't be trusted. A lot of
what you hear is no doubt hype because it gets
good ratings. Dr. Oz talking about arsenic in food
is a perfect example.
So many peope talk about how dangerous our food is, and yet our life expectancy keeps going up and up. Yeah, our life expectancy continues to increase because the medical profession continues to progress but make no mistake, the money is in treating the illnesses not in curing them. Speaking of increasing, cancer is increasing. So are neurological disorders. So is obesity. Our bodies were never intended to ingest the crap they put in engineered and processed foods but it was necessary for big food companies to use them to increase shelf life and productivity so they use money and lobbyist to get them okayed by the FDA. Just because it doesn't kill you today doesn't mean it is fit for human consumption and that it won't kill you eventually. Ever seen a McDonald's Hamburger or a twinkie thats been left out for a few days? Looks just like it did when it came off the griddle or package. It doesn't break down like non processed foods. Big money dictates what gets to market and what doesn't. What about all the drugs that have been approved by the FDA that have been proven unsafe and have killed people? It's all a racquet and there are drugs available overseas that aren't available here that have been kept out of our markets based on politics and bribery. As for imminent domain I don't even want our government to have that right unless it's a matter of national security. They have abused that power like all others they have been intrusted with. So, do I trust our government? Hell no and anyone who does is a naive follower. We should have risen up in revolt years ago when the globalist and socialist co-opted this country but that just seems too extreme so now we are left trying to salvage what little freedom we have left. MacDonalds is a private industry. Do you want the government to decide what you can and can not eat or do you want to decide for yourself? Personnally, I don't care what is in a MacDonalds hamburger. I can drive on by and not eat them. You want freedom and yet you complain about them not regulating food enough? Do you want regulation or not? As for cancer, the cancer rate is increasing in a large if not most part because people are living longer. As for imminent domain, how are you proposing for private industry to build roads better than government if you don't want them to be able to get the land to build them? What is your solution if not government?
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: Dallas County]
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04/01/12 02:19 PM
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bill
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Jl, the government already decides what food additives and labels are required on our foods.
Cancer is also increasing in children and young adults as well as heart disease.
Federal government can designate travel corridors but private industry is much more efficient at the actual construction of the roads, just as they are at every thing else they compete with government in, like schools, prisons and even social programs.
I'm having a hard time believing you really believe the position your taking. April fools?
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate"
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: Dallas County]
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04/01/12 02:26 PM
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Bill...how many people do you know with a government job? Are all of them worthless?
It is easy to make broad generalities like "government doesn't do anything efficiently".
But when asked what alternative you would like, such as private industry designating a travel corridor, what alternative do you offer?
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: Dallas County]
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04/01/12 02:26 PM
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Do federal/state/local governments even build roads or build anything anymore? I think most of the work is contracted out - sounds like some of you would actually be surprised at how much "government" work is actually done by private companies.
"Any way you look at it, most of the problems facing baboons can be expressed in two words: other baboons" -
D.L. Cheney and R.M. Seyfarth
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: Dallas County]
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04/01/12 03:01 PM
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bill
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Jl, are you not reading the post and just jumping to an emotional assumption? I said government can designate travel corridors but private industry does the actual building more efficiently than government.
I never said all government employees were worthless and I know several. The agencies they work for are full of waste and inefficient and mostly corrupt manipulators of budgets bilking tax payers out of their money. I don't see how anyone can say otherwise if they are honest.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate"
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: wmd]
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04/01/12 03:24 PM
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Do federal/state/local governments even build roads or build anything anymore? I think most of the work is contracted out - sounds like some of you would actually be surprised at how much "government" work is actually done by private companies. Exactly, the government really doesn't produce much of anything except waste and corruption. The government is nothing but a bunch of "corrupt consultants and dictators". They produce nothing meaningful or of any substance; yet out spend the private more efficient public sector by 10 fold. Or maybe 110.
not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: Dallas County]
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04/01/12 04:01 PM
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Do federal/state/local governments even build roads or build anything anymore? I think most of the work is contracted out - sounds like some of you would actually be surprised at how much "government" work is actually done by private companies. Exactly, the government really doesn't produce much of anything except waste and corruption. The government is nothing but a bunch of "corrupt consultants and dictators". They produce nothing meaningful or of any substance; yet out spend the private more efficient public sector by 10 fold. Or maybe 110. Please propose a viable alternative. We're all ears.
"Hell yes I'm ready Woodrow! Don't I look ready?"
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: bill]
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04/01/12 04:13 PM
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I'm trying to think of one thing our government does well. I'm going off this original post. I am asking if the government does nothing well, what is your alternative to something they do such as in this example imminent domain for building a road. Who would you rather do it?
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: Dallas County]
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04/01/12 04:14 PM
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Do federal/state/local governments even build roads or build anything anymore? I think most of the work is contracted out - sounds like some of you would actually be surprised at how much "government" work is actually done by private companies. Exactly, the government really doesn't produce much of anything except waste and corruption. The government is nothing but a bunch of "corrupt consultants and dictators". They produce nothing meaningful or of any substance; yet out spend the private more efficient public sector by 10 fold. Or maybe 110. Who would you rather do meat inspection for instance?
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: jlccoffee]
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04/01/12 04:59 PM
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Do federal/state/local governments even build roads or build anything anymore? I think most of the work is contracted out - sounds like some of you would actually be surprised at how much "government" work is actually done by private companies. Exactly, the government really doesn't produce much of anything except waste and corruption. The government is nothing but a bunch of "corrupt consultants and dictators". They produce nothing meaningful or of any substance; yet out spend the private more efficient public sector by 10 fold. Or maybe 110. Who would you rather do meat inspection for instance? How about a Private business?
not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: Aught Six]
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04/01/12 05:05 PM
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Please propose a viable alternative. We're all ears.
How about getting rid of ALL the current leaders, reducing the Federal government workforce by 80%, delegate more legislation to the State & Local level, eliminate career politicians, hang the ones that commit the first crime while in office, quit buying votes, eliminate 70% of entitlements and enact a fair tax? How's that for starters? It's been proven time and time again that the private sector is FAR more efficient the the "peoples government help me" sector. Just ask the former USSR, East Germany, Cuba etc.....
not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: Dallas County]
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04/01/12 05:10 PM
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How about a Private business?
So you think a private, for profit business would be incorruptible?
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: Dallas County]
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04/01/12 05:13 PM
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DC, how could we trust private business with such an important job like meat inspection? Shouldn't we trust the government to do that since they have our best interest at heart? Oh yeah! If private business screwed up we could fire them and hire another contractor! What a novel idea.
When our government was in charge of waging wars and building roads and nothing else we were as free as this country has ever been. Government is a wasteful money hungry monster that doesn't run efficiently in any department that I'm aware of.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate"
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: bill]
#312907
04/01/12 05:22 PM
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DC, how could we trust private business with such an important job like meat inspection? Shouldn't we trust the government to do that since they have our best interest at heart? Oh yeah! If private business screwed up we could fire them and hire another contractor! What a novel idea.
How are you going to fire them? You would have no say in it. The meat industry would be the one doing the hiring and firing. Of course, they are going to hire the one that is most strict on themselves I am sure...yeah right. As long as the government is in meat inspection you CAN fire them. Fire the politicians that don't run it right with your vote.
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: bill]
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04/01/12 05:54 PM
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DC, how could we trust private business with such an important job like meat inspection? Shouldn't we trust the government to do that since they have our best interest at heart? Oh yeah! If private business screwed up we could fire them and hire another contractor! What a novel idea.
How are you going to know that the private business screwed up? Do you think they are going to report themselves? As it is, the CDC may report an outbreak or the USDA may report they found a pathogen in a certain lot number of meat but that is government. If the private business finds a problem at a meat plant are they going to shut it down? The private inspector is no doubt getting paid from the sale of meat...who else is going to pay them? Why would they shut down a plant and stop their own cash flow? Because they are worried about you enough that they don't care if they don't get paid? What if the private business finds a pathogen in a lot number of meat and they expect a certain number of people to get sick from it? Why not just sell that lot for distribution over a large area of the country? The meat company gets paid, they can pay the inspector, you will never put together that you got diarrhea from the meat because you won't know that people in California, Georgia, South Carolina, New York and Michigan got sick from the same lot of meat. Why would it benefit the inspection company to tell it? So the plant would be shut down and they would be out of a job?
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: Dallas County]
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04/01/12 05:56 PM
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Jl, your right about private industry in the meat inspection business. Bad argument on my part. I was thinking they would answer to an oversight committee but the comitee would just award the contract to whoever played ball with them on kickbacks and favors so I guess we are stuck being robbed either way.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate"
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: Dallas County]
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04/01/12 06:14 PM
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I sure wish the private-sector, all-efficient, and all those other adjectives used in this thread to describe how great the private-sector is - credit card industry could come up with a way to secure their freakin' networks. I rarely use a credit card, but this is the 5th time in 3 years that my account has been compromised. I have never been out any money, but that is beside the point. It is not like I get to choose which payment processor a merchant uses, so it is not like I, a consumer, have any recourse.
Not saying government could do it any better, but they probably couldn't do worse than the private sector.
"Any way you look at it, most of the problems facing baboons can be expressed in two words: other baboons" -
D.L. Cheney and R.M. Seyfarth
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Re: Good Ole Federal Government
[Re: Dallas County]
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04/01/12 06:19 PM
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Dallas County,
You said "the government produces nothing of substance."
I won't waste much of my time here arguing, but I take it you hereby pledge to never conduct any sort of commerce again, except by means of direct barter? (the government creates a national currency and the full faith and credit to back it).
So you're going to trade whatever you do for a living for chickens and cloth and gasoline, etc.?
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