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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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I enjoyed reading that. My ancestors came to the Ala territory by wagon train from SC in Jan. of 1818 and settled in Brewton. I have been reading my family genealogy lately and this fit right in. My Great Great grandfather was born in Oakey Streak in 1856 and cut timber for Alger Sullivan lumber co.
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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I drive hwy 80 between Montgomery and Selma fairly often. I've always thought how some of that landscape reminds me of Kansas. I never knew that was how a lot of the state looked naturally.
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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I enjoyed reading that. My ancestors came to the Ala territory by wagon train from SC in Jan. of 1818 and settled in Brewton. I have been reading my family genealogy lately and this fit right in. My Great Great grandfather was born in Oakey Streak in 1856 and cut timber for Alger Sullivan lumber co. My mother's side also came to Alabama by wagon from South Carolina by way of Georgia. It was during the Alabama land rush know as "Alabama Fever". They settled near what is now Chelsea, AL. They were Kendricks and founded a place known as "Kendrick Springs" or more commonly known today as "K Springs."
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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I drive hwy 80 between Montgomery and Selma fairly often. I've always thought how some of that landscape reminds me of Kansas. I never knew that was how a lot of the state looked naturally. People don't think of Buffalo being in the Southeast but they were here. Not in the numbers of the Great Plains, but especially in places like Kentucky they were plentiful. Buffalo Trace Bourbon is not named that just because it's a cool name. Some modern highways still follow the paths of old buffalo traces in the southeast and most of those eventually led to a mineral lick somewhere.
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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Far less than 1% of virgin Bald Cypress trees survived the great logging age following the Civil War but they do exist and some of the still living trees are over 2500 years old. I know of one freakishly enormous tree deep in the Escambia River swamp that is in such a difficult place to get to that the loggers never got it. I would love to know how old that gigantic tree is. There’s information about that tree in the Escambia County museum located on the campus of Coastal Community College in Brewton. Pretty cool museum.
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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When Boone came through the Cumberland gap he described the vast prairies and cane breaks. A much different landscape than what it is now. Make sense that alabama would be no different.
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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I drive hwy 80 between Montgomery and Selma fairly often. I've always thought how some of that landscape reminds me of Kansas. I never knew that was how a lot of the state looked naturally. People don't think of Buffalo being in the Southeast but they were here. Not in the numbers of the Great Plains, but especially in places like Kentucky they were plentiful. Buffalo Trace Bourbon is not named that just because it's a cool name. Some modern highways still follow the paths of old buffalo traces in the southeast and most of those eventually led to a mineral lick somewhere. Nice offshoot with the Buffalo discussion. We visited Land Between The Lakes in KY a couple years ago and went over to the Bison and Elk Prairie that they've established in the park as a way to somehow try and preserve what the landscape may have looked like before European contact. Western Kentucky had a lot of acreage that was labeled as "Barrens" by the first documented explorers of the region, from the Cumberland River westward. Also seeing waterways named the Buffalo River and the Elk River are likely hints at the fact that they were here at one time. Here is another interesting read on the topic of Buffalo in the SE with some references to historical writings about them being here at one time. Did The Buffalo Roam?
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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05/27/20 07:16 AM
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I drive hwy 80 between Montgomery and Selma fairly often. I've always thought how some of that landscape reminds me of Kansas. I never knew that was how a lot of the state looked naturally. People don't think of Buffalo being in the Southeast but they were here. Not in the numbers of the Great Plains, but especially in places like Kentucky they were plentiful. Buffalo Trace Bourbon is not named that just because it's a cool name. Some modern highways still follow the paths of old buffalo traces in the southeast and most of those eventually led to a mineral lick somewhere. Nice offshoot with the Buffalo discussion. We visited Land Between The Lakes in KY a couple years ago and went over to the Bison and Elk Prairie that they've established in the park as a way to somehow try and preserve what the landscape may have looked like before European contact. Western Kentucky had a lot of acreage that was labeled as "Barrens" by the first documented explorers of the region, from the Cumberland River westward. Also seeing waterways named the Buffalo River and the Elk River are likely hints at the fact that they were here at one time. Here is another interesting read on the topic of Buffalo in the SE with some references to historical writings about them being here at one time. Did The Buffalo Roam?They mentioned "forested areas" but likes was mentioned earlier in this thread large areas of the southeast were grasslands. Especially in "The Bluegrass State." Interesting in that article they mention William McIntosh. My 6th great grandfather was also a Creek chief and he ordered and had William McIntosh killed. Killed his sons too.
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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The land we used to hunt in Dallas County had a lot of cane breaks, grasslands with cedars, and wild roses. It had a lot of planted pines too but for some reason, the prairie looking areas were not planted. Because the landowners enjoy watching Florida Man show up with his jacked up, $85,000 truck thinking it will negotiate the Prairie soil. That usually ends up being a two tractor job. The truth is that soil is not very conducive to growing pines.
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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The land we used to hunt in Dallas County had a lot of cane breaks, grasslands with cedars, and wild roses. It had a lot of planted pines too but for some reason, the prairie looking areas were not planted. Because the landowners enjoy watching Florida Man show up with his jacked up, $85,000 truck thinking it will negotiate the Prairie soil. That usually ends up being a two tractor job. The truth is that soil is not very conducive to growing pines. Florida Man and the next two owners will find that mud somewhere on that truck for the next 25 years, too. That mud's like herpes. Never goes away.
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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The land we used to hunt in Dallas County had a lot of cane breaks, grasslands with cedars, and wild roses. It had a lot of planted pines too but for some reason, the prairie looking areas were not planted. Because the landowners enjoy watching Florida Man show up with his jacked up, $85,000 truck thinking it will negotiate the Prairie soil. That usually ends up being a two tractor job. The truth is that soil is not very conducive to growing pines. Florida Man and the next two owners will find that mud somewhere on that truck for the next 25 years, too. That mud's like herpes. Never goes away. Truth. It turns a 2 pound pair of boots into a 50 pound pair of boots.
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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Praire mud will stop the best vehicles. You only need to learn that lesson once.
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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I have read several books that have included accounts of some of the earliest expeditions into the interior. One account of an expedition who got lost in a corn field for 2 days and couldn't find their way out until they sent out scouts who then had a difficult time even re-finding the expedition and finally they found the Indians. Thousands of them. That's a serious big corn field. They would clear huge expanses of land moving around constantly because the ground would become infertile after a couple growing seasons. Which we are all familiar with the reasons for that but their answer was to just move.
Come on now you know no forest were ever cleared until the evil white man showed up.
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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William Bartram's diaries about his travels through the Southeast are pretty cool to read.
Have not heard of this, I’ll be ordering it soon. Thanks! Just do a search on his name and you can download it as a free eBook. In fact, most of 18th and 19th century books about the history of the USA are free on the internet. I've probably read 25 books from that period since I retired. Thanks to the OP for posting the article. It is a bit misleading to say that over half the state was grassland because he is including the great longleaf forest into that figure. It's just a matter of semantics, but I think most of us would call that a forest. But the Blackbelt was a very large area and everyone would call it a grassland. I think that squirrel could have made his journey by treetop if he had picked his way carefully. The article mentioned 15,000 years of forest management. I thought we only had evidence of humans in North America for 10,000 years. Has that number been revised?
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Re: Alabama Landscape 2 Centuries Ago
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It was said that a squirrel could tree-hop from the Atlantic Coast to the Mississippi River if it picked its route carefully.
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