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Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: GKelly] #3199097
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Originally Posted by GKelly
I have often wondered why if the police have guns drawn on you and ask to see your hands why you would not immediately stop or even attempt to reach for anything no matter what it is. I dont even take my hands off the steering wheel when I get pulled over because there is a gun in every compartment of my truck and the first thing they ask about is weapons. I tell them where my paper work is and that a pistol is laying with it ask them to open the door so i can step out and they can reach in to get it


No need to wonder. The reason is that you are smart, with good intentions and they are dumb with often times bad intentions. Obey the requests of the LEOs and do what you are told and stuff like this doesnt happen. Like others have said, if you have a disagreement with the cops, get a lawyer and settle it that way. Cops are on edge because so many have been assaulted and killed. I'd be the same way, and quick on the draw, if I felt the situation was escalating. No way I'd be a cop in today's society.

Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: Tigger85] #3199105
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RH CLark why don't you go ride with some police one night if it's so easy? See how many tickets they write. How about the North or West precinct of Birmingham? The guy did get shot because he didn't comply and probably reached for a gun inside the car but we don't know as I just jumped to a conclusion just like you. Speeding through neighborhoods is dangerous to kids, joggers and bicyclists. Don't like the way Police treat you, get a lawyer. Live to see another day.


You pretty much don't know what I think without being able to sit down to a more in depth conversation than we can have with a few one liners on this talk forum. One thing I am very concerned about is the us against them mentality of just about everyone these days. The prevalent attitude is ,if you have a different thought than I do,you're stupid and I don't want to listen to your ideas.

If I say defund the cops,that doesn't have to mean I'm for lawlessness and chaos. It might mean that if things were redirected less money could do more good. Take for instance the example if not issuing traffic tickets any more. You can generate the same revenue with camera's and mailed tickets without the confrontational dangers. There will always be a need for enforcers to handle the extreme violators,but isn't the FBI sort of doing that anyway?

I mean honestly,is the answer to our lawlessness problems,even more armed enforcers on the street? It's getting more and more common to see citizens shot just for running away. Then we hear," Well he shouldn't have ran, he might have killed somebody trying to get away like that." and that's the justification in average Joe's mindset. What I'm saying is I don't like the trend of how we are thinking.Part of it comes from frustration of not having a good answer,but we will never get those answers if we have closed minds to any alternatives.

Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: R_H_Clark] #3199113
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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Originally Posted by Tigger85
RH CLark why don't you go ride with some police one night if it's so easy? See how many tickets they write. How about the North or West precinct of Birmingham? The guy did get shot because he didn't comply and probably reached for a gun inside the car but we don't know as I just jumped to a conclusion just like you. Speeding through neighborhoods is dangerous to kids, joggers and bicyclists. Don't like the way Police treat you, get a lawyer. Live to see another day.


You pretty much don't know what I think without being able to sit down to a more in depth conversation than we can have with a few one liners on this talk forum. One thing I am very concerned about is the us against them mentality of just about everyone these days. The prevalent attitude is ,if you have a different thought than I do,you're stupid and I don't want to listen to your ideas.

If I say defund the cops,that doesn't have to mean I'm for lawlessness and chaos. It might mean that if things were redirected less money could do more good. Take for instance the example if not issuing traffic tickets any more. You can generate the same revenue with camera's and mailed tickets without the confrontational dangers. There will always be a need for enforcers to handle the extreme violators,but isn't the FBI sort of doing that anyway?

I mean honestly,is the answer to our lawlessness problems,even more armed enforcers on the street? It's getting more and more common to see citizens shot just for running away. Then we hear," Well he shouldn't have ran, he might have killed somebody trying to get away like that." and that's the justification in average Joe's mindset. What I'm saying is I don't like the trend of how we are thinking.Part of it comes from frustration of not having a good answer,but we will never get those answers if we have closed minds to any alternatives.

Ummmm, not sure the police are supposed to be there to raise revenue? But, back to the discussion.


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Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: Scout308] #3199115
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Originally Posted by Scout308
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Defund the police. SOB's way too trigger happy,always have been.

Stupid ass comment!


You sir are a tard!! We should give the police a pay raise

Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: R_H_Clark] #3199119
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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
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Originally Posted by Scout308
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Defund the police. SOB's way too trigger happy,always have been.

Stupid ass comment!

Where did ya go R H? Please tell me you were kidding


Yea,mostly kidding but I am getting very tired of seeing these kinds of things. Think a minuet about what defunding would mean though. Most of the issues we are seeing now have happened because of the militarization of police. Your average cop is no longer Andy and Barney who you say hello to on the street. Just look at how many will say the black guy was shot because he didn't comply. WTH! When did we start thinking disobedience is justification for murder? Seriously,how many will just write it off and say he should have done what he was told and he wouldn't have got shot? Is that the society we want to live in? A police force has to be strong to enforce the rules. The harder the rules are to enforce the stronger the force must be. Do you want to live in a totalitarian society where you get terminated for breaking the rules? The stronger the police force the closer you will get to China, where you will be shot if you leave your house when told to stay inside,or fail to wear your mask when allowed out.

What is the function of police,and what should their real function be? I think that's a serious question to be asked. What I see our locals doing is about 90% of their time is spent sitting in a car trying to write a speeding ticket. Most of their other time is spent writing reports about the bad stuff they didn't stop while they were writing speeding tickets.


You are obviously clueless about what Law Enforcement does and doesn't do!


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Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: JAT50] #3199124
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Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: JAT50] #3199134
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Yea,and it's a waste of time to try to talk to anyone who already knows everything. Sorry I tried.

Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: JAT50] #3199144
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Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: JAT50] #3199147
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I don’t know everything but I have enough common sense to see though such bullchit.


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Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: JAT50] #3199156
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Perhaps we should find marksmanship training for the police and the clients


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Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: JAT50] #3199164
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I'm sure he was just going around to the driver's side to grab his proof of insurance to show the cops.

Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: BCLC] #3199213
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Originally Posted by BCLC
Billy club to the knee woulda ended it quick...... oh wait, that’s right the courts took Billy Clubs away because they weren’t “fair” to criminals. Paw Paw Troy woulda hit ‘em in the face with the butt of a 12ga pump, non-lethal poetry in motion!


I don't understand why 3 full grown men cannot just tackle or taze one uncooperative man, or yes - crack him in the head or legs with
a billy club to subdue the man. They followed him like a bunch of sissies afraid to tackle or touch the ghetto trouble maker.

Police need to be trained to use their night sticks first, tazer second and to shoot people only in the leg - if they are unarmed.

And yes, it looked like he was going to get a weapon out of his car - but he should have been tackled or head/leg cracked before that, imo.


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Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: JAT50] #3199223
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Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: WmHunter] #3199224
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Originally Posted by WmHunter
Originally Posted by BCLC
Billy club to the knee woulda ended it quick...... oh wait, that’s right the courts took Billy Clubs away because they weren’t “fair” to criminals. Paw Paw Troy woulda hit ‘em in the face with the butt of a 12ga pump, non-lethal poetry in motion!


I don't understand why 3 full grown men cannot just tackle or taze one uncooperative man, or yes - crack him in the head or legs with
a billy club to subdue the man. They followed him like a bunch of sissies afraid to tackle or touch the ghetto trouble maker.

Police need to be trained to use their night sticks first, tazer second and to shoot people only in the leg - if they are unarmed.

And yes, it looked like he was going to get a weapon out of his car - but he should have been tackled or head/leg cracked before that, imo.

Perhaps their non lethal equipment were removed from their list of approved equipment. I do agree he should’ve never made around the front of that vehicle without the back of his head being put on the concrete. Of coarse without a choke hold.


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Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: JAT50] #3199227
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Thought u wasnt supposed to draw a weapon unless you was gonna shoot? What I've always been told anyway. What is up with all these cops with guns in their hands, making them unable to take the guy down without shooting him

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Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: JAT50] #3199255
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Originally Posted by JAT50
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What happened to tasers or good old fashion pistol whip or just plain beat down....that may be justified but he shouldn't have made it to car door


What happened to shutting the hell up and doing what the cops say?



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Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: JAT50] #3199280
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people love to bitch about cops not using less lethal force then bitch when the guy gets beat up then bitch when the guy gets shot. our officers stay so confused they dont know what to do until they have to pull the trigger. and BTW they had their guns drawn on him because he had just pulled a gun on someone inside business and pointed it at everyone in the place thru the window as he walked to his car he was considered an armed and dangerous suspect you dont get into a fist fight when the other guy has a gun.

Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: GKelly] #3199287
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Originally Posted by GKelly
people love to bitch about cops not using less lethal force then bitch when the guy gets beat up then bitch when the guy gets shot. our officers stay so confused they dont know what to do until they have to pull the trigger. and BTW they had their guns drawn on him because he had just pulled a gun on someone inside business and pointed it at everyone in the place thru the window as he walked to his car he was considered an armed and dangerous suspect you dont get into a fist fight when the other guy has a gun.




Quit all that damn common sense talk.

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It's all fine to armchair quarterback a situation until it's your ass on the line ... I think they just need to send in this RH Clark fella in there first, just to deescalate the situation. Then they can just politely escort the perp to the back of a car ...

Re: Looks like we have another innocent smoked by cops [Re: GKelly] #3199338
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Originally Posted by GKelly
and BTW they had their guns drawn on him because he had just pulled a gun on someone inside business and pointed it at everyone in the place thru the window as he walked to his car he was considered an armed and dangerous suspect you dont get into a fist fight when the other guy has a gun.


That’s an interesting twist to the narrative that the news isn’t reporting. Guess it doesn’t fit their agenda.

“ The shooting in Kenosha, a city located between Milwaukee and Chicago, occurred after 5 p.m. Sunday, when officers responded to a domestic incident, police said. Witnesses told the Kenosha News that Blake was trying to break up a fight and that police first attempted to stun him with a Taser.”

This is how it’s being reported ..... ^^^^


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