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Re: Vaccine side effects
[Re: Geeb]
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07/13/21 05:35 AM
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Joined: Sep 2011
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woodduck
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Actually guys, the risk of a patient coming down with Guillain Bere Syndrome after getting either COVID infection or even influenza is greater than the risk of GBS from the vaccine. Like I’ve said in every post - people need to make the decision that is right for them. Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of patients that get COVID will be fine. Hopefully there is no over reaction with lockdowns, etc. But, there are people who will die that could be prevented by a simple vaccine. The vaccine is not killing people or injuring patients in any significant numbers. Hopefully you make a decision based on something more than a political lean or a conspiracy theory. Some of the crap I read on here is unbelievable. What's your opinion on ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine re. Covid? would like to know this myself. I work with a doc that is religiously using the ivermectin with great results for the last year now.
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Re: Vaccine side effects
[Re: TDog93]
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07/13/21 05:37 AM
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FurFlyin
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Afraid I hav sleep apnea
How u sleep w machine dry fire? I've had one for 15 or more years. I'd never sleep without it. Best thing I ever did for my health and that includes losing 100 lbs.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: Vaccine side effects
[Re: Mbrock]
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07/13/21 06:01 AM
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MGrubber
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Re: Vaccine side effects
[Re: jwalker77]
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07/13/21 06:44 AM
07/13/21 06:44 AM
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Posts: 7,514 Free State of Winston
FreeStateHunter
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Thats a hard thing to deal with if a fella is trying to stay sober. Amphetamine salt is one thing the drs used to prescribe for narcolepsy and lack of focus. Itll keep you awake sure enough. Maybe it wont come to that. Ill be praying for you. If you find yourself having to take something to stay awake, for safety's sake, be really honest with yourself about how much youre liking it and whether or not you can do without it. Stimulants are very addictive. The prayers are much appreciated. I’m trying to keep from going to the doctor because they’re just going to put me on another “maintenance” pill. It seems ever since I got out of the Army I pick up about 1 maintenance pill a year but never get rid of any.
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Re: Vaccine side effects
[Re: FurFlyin]
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07/13/21 07:17 AM
07/13/21 07:17 AM
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DryFire
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Afraid I hav sleep apnea
How u sleep w machine dry fire? I've had one for 15 or more years. I'd never sleep without it. Best thing I ever did for my health and that includes losing 100 lbs. Same here. No more night sweats. No more getting up 4 or 5 times a night to urinate. BP dropped. My wife moved back to the bedroom because I no longer snore. Before I got on a cpap, I could literally pass out at my desk around 2pm due to lack of sleep.
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Re: Vaccine side effects
[Re: pcoladoc]
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07/13/21 07:26 AM
07/13/21 07:26 AM
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Posts: 27,171 Fayetteville TN Via Selma
jawbone
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Now they are reporting the J&J vaccine is causing some folks to get the nerve paralysis disease. There have been approximately 100 reported cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome in the 12 million patients that have received the J&J Covid vaccine. That means there's a 0.0000083% of getting GBS from the vaccine if in fact all reported cases are secondary to the vaccine. If you need to consider the vaccine due to your risk, I would not factor in the risk of getting GBS from the vaccine into the equation. You have a greater chance of getting killed in an automobile accident driving to the vaccine center then you do of actually getting Guillain Barré syndrome and dying from it. It is estimated that there are 1-2 cases of GBS for every 1 million flu shots given yearly. So, the J&J vaccine does represent a higher risk but both are extremely rare. What is the rate of GBS in those people without the vaccine?
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Vaccine side effects
[Re: pcoladoc]
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07/13/21 07:47 AM
07/13/21 07:47 AM
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FreeStateHunter
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Now they are reporting the J&J vaccine is causing some folks to get the nerve paralysis disease. There have been approximately 100 reported cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome in the 12 million patients that have received the J&J Covid vaccine. That means there's a 0.0000083% of getting GBS from the vaccine if in fact all reported cases are secondary to the vaccine. If you need to consider the vaccine due to your risk, I would not factor in the risk of getting GBS from the vaccine into the equation. You have a greater chance of getting killed in an automobile accident driving to the vaccine center then you do of actually getting Guillain Barré syndrome and dying from it. It is estimated that there are 1-2 cases of GBS for every 1 million flu shots given yearly. So, the J&J vaccine does represent a higher risk but both are extremely rare. What's interesting to me in this tidbit of information is this..... in the aviation industry we hold ourselves to a 6-9's reliability factor for component reliability.... that means we test and build components to the point that we know only one in a million will fail. We have ground truth data here quoted by the doctor that we're pumping humans full of a vaccine that is less than that factor of reliability. Seems like we would demand better, especially since the side effects and consequences haven't been close to being fully realized.
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Re: Vaccine side effects
[Re: jwalker77]
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07/13/21 01:23 PM
07/13/21 01:23 PM
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Posts: 24,823 blount county alabama
jwalker77
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True or false doc: for 99.9% of people the result will be the same whether they take the vaccine or not. Would you answer this question. Look at it from all angles.
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Re: Vaccine side effects
[Re: pcoladoc]
#3441542
07/13/21 01:41 PM
07/13/21 01:41 PM
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eclipse829
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Not sure what Mr Elliot is referring to in regards to Antibody Dependent Enhancement but certainly it isn’t in play with the COVID vaccine. A large percentage of deaths from COVID infections stem from this “cytokine storm” that he references . It’s the bodies hyped up immune response that leads to an inflammatory process that damages the airways. It’s not the virus itself as much as our response to it. That is one theory why immunosuppressive meds such as hydroxychloroquine may have beneficial effects. These are vaccine naive patients . If the ADE he talks about from the vaccine was present , you would see the death rate in vaccinated people approach or surpass those in unvaccinated patients. The rest of his article is fraught with errors and half truths. But at least his arguments/concerns revolve around more medical concerns than conspiracy/ mind control issues. I’m not sure who the “they” is that are trying to control our minds or poison our bodies with the vaccine - how many people are involved ? What’s their motivation ? Are we doctors / nurses involved in the process or just sheep ? Is it Soros / Bezos ? How many would have to be “in on it” ? With all the distrust some of you guys have for the medical professions - I hope you guys never truly need the help of me or my colleagues. Thanks Doc!!
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Re: Vaccine side effects
[Re: DryFire]
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07/13/21 01:42 PM
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donia
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Afraid I hav sleep apnea
How u sleep w machine dry fire? I've had one for 15 or more years. I'd never sleep without it. Best thing I ever did for my health and that includes losing 100 lbs. Same here. No more night sweats. No more getting up 4 or 5 times a night to urinate. BP dropped. My wife moved back to the bedroom because I no longer snore. Before I got on a cpap, I could literally pass out at my desk around 2pm due to lack of sleep. all of this ^^^. I hated the "spider on my face" feeling and it took a while to get used to, but when I try to sleep with out it for a night I can tell it.
experience is a freakin' awesome teacher....
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Re: Vaccine side effects
[Re: FreeStateHunter]
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07/13/21 01:49 PM
07/13/21 01:49 PM
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Posts: 5,289 Alabama
Cactus_buck
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There have been more issues with this vaccine than all other vaccines combined. I have seen a MULTITUDE of issues after people have received the vaccine. I doubt it’s coincidence. The mortality rate for the virus is very low for low risk groups. The high mortality rate is associated with people over the age of 70 or people with comorbidities. I have been an ED nurse for nearly 18 years and I’m exposed to this crap everyday. I have no health problems and am 39 yo. I refuse to get the jab. My risk is low. I’m truthfully more afraid of the vaccine than the virus.
Last edited by Cactus_buck; 07/13/21 01:50 PM.
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Re: Vaccine side effects
[Re: eclipse829]
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07/13/21 02:24 PM
07/13/21 02:24 PM
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Posts: 3,861 Spanish Fort
TurkeyJoe
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Not sure what Mr Elliot is referring to in regards to Antibody Dependent Enhancement but certainly it isn’t in play with the COVID vaccine. A large percentage of deaths from COVID infections stem from this “cytokine storm” that he references . It’s the bodies hyped up immune response that leads to an inflammatory process that damages the airways. It’s not the virus itself as much as our response to it. That is one theory why immunosuppressive meds such as hydroxychloroquine may have beneficial effects. These are vaccine naive patients . If the ADE he talks about from the vaccine was present , you would see the death rate in vaccinated people approach or surpass those in unvaccinated patients. The rest of his article is fraught with errors and half truths. But at least his arguments/concerns revolve around more medical concerns than conspiracy/ mind control issues. I’m not sure who the “they” is that are trying to control our minds or poison our bodies with the vaccine - how many people are involved ? What’s their motivation ? Are we doctors / nurses involved in the process or just sheep ? Is it Soros / Bezos ? How many would have to be “in on it” ? With all the distrust some of you guys have for the medical professions - I hope you guys never truly need the help of me or my colleagues. Thanks Doc!! Yes, thanks for the reply Doc. In regard to the half truths and errors the article is fraught with, do you believe any of it? For example, do you believe that Dr. Fauci holds patents being used in the Moderna vaccine, or that he was involved in gain of function research for corona virus? If either one of those things are true, they would be enough to make the average American like me vaccine hesitant.
Micah 6:8
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