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Re: Allison boats
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07/24/21 09:55 PM
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Back many years ago I had 17' Venture rated for 115. I put a 150 on it. Had to put 10 gallon jugs of water in the front hull but nothing ever passed me on the Big G I had a 19' Venture with a 200 Evinrude on it. That boat was nice and fast. If I remember correctly it ran around 70mph. I really miss that rig.
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Re: Allison boats
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07/25/21 05:02 AM
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Klay if you get a boat that runs over 100 mph, call me. I dang sure ain't riding in it, I just want to watch you come by going that fast.
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Re: Allison boats
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07/25/21 09:05 AM
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Yall know why that passenger seat is offset and behind right? So they can't slap the crap out of you! 😆 I have to move the hot foot. To short to reach it!
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Re: Allison boats
[Re: gman]
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07/25/21 01:01 PM
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Yall know why that passenger seat is offset and behind right? So when they blow out of the boat going 100 mph the driver can't see their neck break when they hit the water.
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Re: Allison boats
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07/25/21 01:07 PM
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That driver's seat will slide forward, klay...in case you didn't already know.
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Re: Allison boats
[Re: klay]
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07/25/21 01:11 PM
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Its so the rider can grab the drivers hair and give it a yank to let him know to slow down! Doubtful the driver could hear his screams!
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Re: Allison boats
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07/25/21 01:42 PM
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That driver's seat will slide forward, klay...in case you didn't already know. Yeah, I figured it out. Now if I could see over the dash, I'd have it made. 😄
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Re: Allison boats
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07/25/21 01:57 PM
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That driver's seat will slide forward, klay...in case you didn't already know. Yeah, I figured it out. Now if I could see over the dash, I'd have it made. 😄 🤣🤣
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Re: Allison boats
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07/25/21 07:53 PM
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I used to build and race drag boats with my dad. We used a lot of Allison hulls as they were the fastest design going back in the day. They are definitely a smooth water boat. A little wind will turn those things into airplanes if you have the ponies behind it and are driving it right. We built a little 17 foot single cockpit fairing with a blue printed 150 short shaft, tricked out gearing in the lower unit, low water pick up, accelerated trim motor, and a 2 blade bronze off shore racing prop. No steering wheel- pedal steering with locks, standard throttle with trim button. If there was a little head wind the thing would go airborne above 77 mph. With a tail or no wind it would stay in the water and go a little faster( 78-79) I doubt seriously an Allison bass boat of any kind empty with a 150 could be faster than 72-73 mph. Probably more like upper 60s. If you give me the weight of the boat and motor I’ll tell you exactly how fast you could make it go with a 150. If you wanted to make a rainbow you keep the speed low and trim it to throw a rooster tail over the power lines across the lake. You hardly had any forward speed, but it was cool to watch.
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Re: Allison boats
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07/25/21 08:08 PM
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I used to build and race drag boats with my dad. We used a lot of Allison hulls as they were the fastest design going back in the day. They are definitely a smooth water boat. A little wind will turn those things into airplanes if you have the ponies behind it and are driving it right. We built a little 17 foot single cockpit fairing with a blue printed 150 short shaft, low water pick up, accelerated trim motor, and a 2 blade off shore racing prop. No steering wheel- pedal steering with locks, standard throttle with trim button. If there was a little head wind the thing would go airborne above 77 mph. With a tail or no wind it would stay in the water and go a little faster( 78-79) I doubt seriously an Allison bass boat of any kind empty with a 150 could be faster than 72-73 mph. Probably more like upper 60s. If you give me the weight of the boat and motor I’ll tell you exactly how fast you could make it go with a 150. All due respect sir but I'll have to disagree with you here.. An XB02 is a forgiving hull & VERY capable of going well north of 73Mph with a 150 in the right hands.... Who is your dad sir? I've been racing with OBDA (Outboard Drag Boat Assn) & DSRA (Deep South Racing Assn) since 2009 so I'm sure I've ran across him at the Races..
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Re: Allison boats
[Re: hamma]
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07/26/21 05:50 AM
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I used to build and race drag boats with my dad. We used a lot of Allison hulls as they were the fastest design going back in the day. They are definitely a smooth water boat. A little wind will turn those things into airplanes if you have the ponies behind it and are driving it right. We built a little 17 foot single cockpit fairing with a blue printed 150 short shaft, low water pick up, accelerated trim motor, and a 2 blade off shore racing prop. No steering wheel- pedal steering with locks, standard throttle with trim button. If there was a little head wind the thing would go airborne above 77 mph. With a tail or no wind it would stay in the water and go a little faster( 78-79) I doubt seriously an Allison bass boat of any kind empty with a 150 could be faster than 72-73 mph. Probably more like upper 60s. If you give me the weight of the boat and motor I’ll tell you exactly how fast you could make it go with a 150. All due respect sir but I'll have to disagree with you here.. An XB02 is a forgiving hull & VERY capable of going well north of 73Mph with a 150 in the right hands.... Who is your dad sir? I've been racing with OBDA (Outboard Drag Boat Assn) & DSRA (Deep South Racing Assn) since 2009 so I'm sure I've ran across him at the Races.. JJ? And yes...an xb02 with a 150 in any kind of competent hands will run past 73 mph all day long...and stable as can be. xb02's will flat out run on a rail when set up properly, at any speed.
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Re: Allison boats
[Re: hamma]
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07/28/21 06:54 AM
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I used to build and race drag boats with my dad. We used a lot of Allison hulls as they were the fastest design going back in the day. They are definitely a smooth water boat. A little wind will turn those things into airplanes if you have the ponies behind it and are driving it right. We built a little 17 foot single cockpit fairing with a blue printed 150 short shaft, low water pick up, accelerated trim motor, and a 2 blade off shore racing prop. No steering wheel- pedal steering with locks, standard throttle with trim button. If there was a little head wind the thing would go airborne above 77 mph. With a tail or no wind it would stay in the water and go a little faster( 78-79) I doubt seriously an Allison bass boat of any kind empty with a 150 could be faster than 72-73 mph. Probably more like upper 60s. If you give me the weight of the boat and motor I’ll tell you exactly how fast you could make it go with a 150. All due respect sir but I'll have to disagree with you here.. An XB02 is a forgiving hull & VERY capable of going well north of 73Mph with a 150 in the right hands.... Who is your dad sir? I've been racing with OBDA (Outboard Drag Boat Assn) & DSRA (Deep South Racing Assn) since 2009 so I'm sure I've ran across him at the Races.. Please notice I said Bass Boat like the OP was asking about…not an Allison hull drag boat or pro stock class drag boat. That’s a little different configuration and weight class. My father was T. M. and very active in the Southern Drag Boat Association during the mid 70s and early 80s. Boat technology has changed considerably since those days, but the laws of physics have not. For every weight and true HP there’s a finite speed that can be obtained. Getting as close as you can to that finite speed means dealing with a lot of little variables to reduce drag and increase lift to the point of minimal sustained control. Of course you drag boat racers know this already, but the everyday bass boat drivers may not be thinking of this fact.
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Re: Allison boats
[Re: QDMAV8R]
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07/28/21 08:24 AM
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I used to build and race drag boats with my dad. We used a lot of Allison hulls as they were the fastest design going back in the day. They are definitely a smooth water boat. A little wind will turn those things into airplanes if you have the ponies behind it and are driving it right. We built a little 17 foot single cockpit fairing with a blue printed 150 short shaft, low water pick up, accelerated trim motor, and a 2 blade off shore racing prop. No steering wheel- pedal steering with locks, standard throttle with trim button. If there was a little head wind the thing would go airborne above 77 mph. With a tail or no wind it would stay in the water and go a little faster( 78-79) I doubt seriously an Allison bass boat of any kind empty with a 150 could be faster than 72-73 mph. Probably more like upper 60s. If you give me the weight of the boat and motor I’ll tell you exactly how fast you could make it go with a 150. All due respect sir but I'll have to disagree with you here.. An XB02 is a forgiving hull & VERY capable of going well north of 73Mph with a 150 in the right hands.... Who is your dad sir? I've been racing with OBDA (Outboard Drag Boat Assn) & DSRA (Deep South Racing Assn) since 2009 so I'm sure I've ran across him at the Races.. Please notice I said Bass Boat like the OP was asking about…not an Allison hull drag boat or pro stock class drag boat. That’s a little different configuration and weight class. My father was T. M. and very active in the Southern Drag Boat Association during the mid 70s and early 80s. Boat technology has changed considerably since those days, but the laws of physics have not. For every weight and true HP there’s a finite speed that can be obtained. Getting as close as you can to that finite speed means dealing with a lot of little variables to reduce drag and increase lift to the point of minimal sustained control. Of course you drag boat racers know this already, but the everyday bass boat drivers may not be thinking of this fact. Dude...an XB2002 is 100% a bass hull. From the timeline you're throwing out, you/your dad were racing the old first gen Allison hulls. Allison hasn't built a hull under 20' in nearly 40 years. Darris has introduced new tech into his hulls since the generation you're talking about. I GUARANTEE you that my buddy who still has his XB2002 could bolt on a 150 powerhead with no limiter on it and bust 80-85 all day long. It's just not that hard with the XB2002. In fact, as someone who has owned 3 different XB2002's, I would be ashamed if I couldn't get 80+ out of it with a 150. I GPS'd 94 with a 200 ProMax in one of mine years ago without even tinkering with it. A 225 ProMax bumped near 100. The 2.5L Mercury engine was a game changer.
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Re: Allison boats
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08/03/21 02:41 PM
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I used to build and race drag boats with my dad. We used a lot of Allison hulls as they were the fastest design going back in the day. They are definitely a smooth water boat. A little wind will turn those things into airplanes if you have the ponies behind it and are driving it right. We built a little 17 foot single cockpit fairing with a blue printed 150 short shaft, low water pick up, accelerated trim motor, and a 2 blade off shore racing prop. No steering wheel- pedal steering with locks, standard throttle with trim button. If there was a little head wind the thing would go airborne above 77 mph. With a tail or no wind it would stay in the water and go a little faster( 78-79) I doubt seriously an Allison bass boat of any kind empty with a 150 could be faster than 72-73 mph. Probably more like upper 60s. If you give me the weight of the boat and motor I’ll tell you exactly how fast you could make it go with a 150. All due respect sir but I'll have to disagree with you here.. An XB02 is a forgiving hull & VERY capable of going well north of 73Mph with a 150 in the right hands.... Who is your dad sir? I've been racing with OBDA (Outboard Drag Boat Assn) & DSRA (Deep South Racing Assn) since 2009 so I'm sure I've ran across him at the Races.. Please notice I said Bass Boat like the OP was asking about…not an Allison hull drag boat or pro stock class drag boat. That’s a little different configuration and weight class. My father was T. M. and very active in the Southern Drag Boat Association during the mid 70s and early 80s. Boat technology has changed considerably since those days, but the laws of physics have not. For every weight and true HP there’s a finite speed that can be obtained. Getting as close as you can to that finite speed means dealing with a lot of little variables to reduce drag and increase lift to the point of minimal sustained control. Of course you drag boat racers know this already, but the everyday bass boat drivers may not be thinking of this fact. Dude...an XB2002 is 100% a bass hull. From the timeline you're throwing out, you/your dad were racing the old first gen Allison hulls. Allison hasn't built a hull under 20' in nearly 40 years. Darris has introduced new tech into his hulls since the generation you're talking about. I GUARANTEE you that my buddy who still has his XB2002 could bolt on a 150 powerhead with no limiter on it and bust 80-85 all day long. It's just not that hard with the XB2002. In fact, as someone who has owned 3 different XB2002's, I would be ashamed if I couldn't get 80+ out of it with a 150. I GPS'd 94 with a 200 ProMax in one of mine years ago without even tinkering with it. A 225 ProMax bumped near 100. The 2.5L Mercury engine was a game changer. I think you and I are confusing a stock bass boat and motor a bass hull with something that’s been vastly improved motor wise. The OP clearly has a stock boat and motor with mostly stock a low water pick up and maybe some changed lower unit gearing. As I stated upper 60s and slightly surprising 72-73 mph, which the OP actually got 72. Most of these boats today are running 3-4 AGM or Lithium batteries and all kinds of tournament rigged gear. Several hundreds of pounds of gear that all add up. Sure you can empty the boat, but then it’s not a bass boat is it. I kinda hunched it was somewhere in the 500 pound range of gear and equipment on board. A stock limited 150 would not run faster on that boat no matter who was driving it.
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Re: Allison boats
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08/03/21 08:42 PM
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I think you and I are confusing a stock bass boat and motor a bass hull with something that’s been vastly improved motor wise. The OP clearly has a stock boat and motor with mostly stock a low water pick up and maybe some changed lower unit gearing. As I stated upper 60s and slightly surprising 72-73 mph, which the OP actually got 72. Most of these boats today are running 3-4 AGM or Lithium batteries and all kinds of tournament rigged gear. Several hundreds of pounds of gear that all add up. Sure you can empty the boat, but then it’s not a bass boat is it. I kinda hunched it was somewhere in the 500 pound range of gear and equipment on board. A stock limited 150 would not run faster on that boat no matter who was driving it.
No confusion on my part at all...only experience from owning several of them. I've been fooling around with these things for a lot of years. I pretty much know what these boats are capable of. Your exact words from above... "I doubt seriously an Allison bass boat of any kind empty with a 150 could be faster than 72-73 mph. Probably more like upper 60s."
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