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Re: A Lil’ Tractor Time [Re: Here4fun] #3451316
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Originally Posted by Here4fun


Im definitely going to try it before turkey season next year. I figure I will mow as soon as deer season ends, and have a good bed of that dead weeds. Than by April Ill have a ton of bugs in there for the turkeys. I could see them loving that for scratching and bugging!


Just rinse and repeat and that’s how the soil builds up to become a flourishing food chain…….”Feed me Seymour!!!” …..It takes time and cycling veg over and over before the critters really start showing up though.....It's sorta like that saying build it and they will come....…For the deep thinking crowd ask yourself…..”How can I manage the soil in this manner on the “other” 4950 acres (the previous scenario) instead of just in the 50 that are food plots???”……That's where I believe someone could have the potential of seeing significant impacts .....I think the most effective tool for a landowner would be to mix in cattle for vegetation recycling along with a modified fire regime………Same concept as you getting on the tractor mowing the vegetation but instead you’re sending in the cow herd to trample it and poop everywhere in the process…. …..Imagine adding in cow patties to the soil bug mix.

This is a few years ago but it shows the constant cycle that has been occurring of feeding carbon to the soil........Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat………

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I have noticed a ton of bugs in my fusion/clover plots. Grasshoopers especially.

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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
I have noticed a ton of bugs in my fusion/clover plots. Grasshoopers especially.



I think much of the time turkeys spend in food plots is to hunt bugs and insects........


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I tend to see them hit fields when I cut them too.

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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
I tend to see them hit fields when I cut them too.



Now if we could just get 257 to genetically modify us some cereal grains to mature about a month earlier we’ll be set……… grin

More of the past cycles......Feed mulch crop after mulch crop and that's what builds the soil food chain over time.

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Re: A Lil’ Tractor Time [Re: CNC] #3452090
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Another big link in the insect chain is "flowers"...... which goes hand in hand with plant and insect diversity…………


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Re: A Lil’ Tractor Time [Re: CNC] #3452643
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So while it may just seem like to some we’re talking about growing weeds…..there’s much deeper concepts and principles at the heart of it.

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Another aspect of this mulching and recycling process that can be manipulated is the “timing” that you choose to use when resetting the vegetation. You can have an impact on several variables just by your timing…… I purposely chose to knock back and reset some areas a few weeks ago knowing that most things will be maturing and going to seed come August………

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So now I have fresh new growth emerging as July ends…The main species are blackberry, dewberry, pokeweed, prickly lettuce, vervain, and goldenrod…….Focus on the concept here and picture if this were on a bigger scale of 100 acres instead of 0.1…….I’m just keeping my resident does happy with these little spots …..However, ramp up the scale of this idea and you’re gonna start having a much bigger impact……How many people have lush new growth coming up in August when most of the natural browse is maturing and hardening off???

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Other ways you can have an impact is by resetting succession and/or stimulating the seed bank during the dormant season …..”Frequency” of resetting can also have an impact on the balance of grasses to broadleafs/forbs…..Frequent mowing during the growing season will start favoring grasses over broadleafs……Dormant season mowing/resetting seems to favor the broadleafs unless fire is used……Dormant season fire seems to favor the grasses while growing season burns seem to favor broadleafs…..Take that with a grain of salt as its still something I’m tinkering with to figure out better…..All of these things can be used as tools though to manipulate the habitat to produce a well-balanced system of grasses, forbs, legumes and the subsequent food chains that follow……But you need to know “Why” you’re doing them in order to apply them correctly or you’ll just be randomly mowing and throwing down matches in Feb because that’s what so and so down the road did instead of applying specifically what you’re situation is needing at the time. I actually think we need to take a hard look at our reasons for burning and apply our prescriptions for fire more effectively than everyone just lighting a match the day after hunting season ends and that being the extent of the “why”…….

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I would love to do some burning, but the timber co would never go for it.

I love the flail mower I got. It makes it so simple. Go out into a field and broadcast seed, then cut it with the flail mower. If you need to spray it, then spray it and walk away.

I have 2 fields I am thinking I am going to flail mow and then spray, then disk and spray again to be ready for fall, and I am gonna plant some sort of clover blend on top of cereal grains and brassica's so next spring, all I will need to do is run out and mow everything. Then I can come back and fertilize and spray as needed to control the weed growth.

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Here’s one of the conundrums that occurs and its where I think litter and/or cattle could really help the cycling process…..This is the same area I just showed where the thick stand of blackberry was mowed....I'm on the other end looking back..... So now I have a really thick layer of blackberry mulch down across the soil surface…..The problem is that there is so much of it that it will temporarily prevent new seedling plant growth from coming back in those areas until it decomposes. I’ll get regrowth coming back from the old established plants but ideally I want to maximize the plant density a little more with new growth…..

This is where you have to really have some perspective on what you do….If this were in an area that had a better natural soil type then I could probably get away with using a disk instead of a mower to just slightly process this biomass into the very top layer of soil as things are reset……In my situation though with such fragile sand in this area….tearing that top layer of dark soil apart in any way makes things degrade and go backwards. I've been there and done that already with it... That dark top soil is best left alone to cover over the sand and the biomass just fed from the top down or you really just work against yourself in these soils……What would have been ideal is if right after I mowed it if I had come across the top with a litter/manure application. That would speed up the decomposition of the biomass and boost plant growth at the same time. Cattle hooves and manure would also help to process the biomass and give everything a boost. That’s really the “natural” component that’s missing to this process…..Back long ago this would have been reset by something like a buffalo or elk herd instead of a bushhog and you would have gotten that hoofing action and manure application that its needing.

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Here's another idea just to throw out there.........Something else that could have helped this situation is if I had a mower that would chop up the biomass really fine instead of the coarse way a bushhog does it......I think that would be more ideal for some applications such as this growing season mowing I just did. If you understand the concepts and principles then you can make your own "method".

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When I was teenager I used to sit around and read every deer hunting magazine that was on the shelf…..It actually got to the point that by the time I was in my mid twenties I pretty much just stopped because every article I read seemed like some repeat or regurgitation of something I read 5 years earlier……(I guess my hypocrisy here knows no bounds) laugh

Back then I took it all as the gospel and there was indeed a lot of quality information in all of it that I gained a lot of knowledge from……As I’ve gotten older though I’ve learned to take it all with a grain of salt. It’s funny looking back because I can remember when a lot of my perceptions of things began to change years ago. I had just gotten to know some of my Macon Co “neighbors” and they asked me if I wanted to take some pics for a magazine article ….be the hunter in the pic……I said “Heck yeah!!!”…..Getting to be in the deer hunting mags that I had read for so many years was really cool. However, during the process as we laid the buck down in the best looking row of corn stalks turned just right to the setting sun I realized……”Hey, wait a minute…….All of these pictures are just staged!!!!!”… shocked shocked ……It actually felt like a real “well duh” moment when I thought more about it…… grin

But the bigger idea that I came to realize through all my experiences with the people I’ve met and things I've learned is that much of everything is just personal opinion even amongst the pros and how this person or that person "presents the picture". Doing things this way or that way or what we think we currently know is an ever evolving idea and many of the opinions we pass around are just regurgitating what someone heard repeated at deer camp or read in a magazine, etc. Sometimes though I think you need to allow yourself to forget everything you’ve been “taught” and just open your eyes and mind to what you see before you. Use the common sense God gave you to form your own opinions that are free of so much bias from outside opinions.

Case in point……I cant tell you how many times I’ve read it and heard it repeated that beautyberry is a great deer browse species…..……Now I’ve seen the deer browse a chitload of different plants and yet I cant ever recall seeing beautyberry being browsed at any stage. I’m sure someone has seen it but to me its just about running neck in neck with dog fennel for the least browsed. Are people actually seeing it being browsed or just repeating the tag line??? On the flip side of that though……how many times have you ever read or heard someone talking about Florida pusley being a highly preferred or top 5 browse specie??? Yet from what I see with my eyes it gets hammered this time of year……You cant find a patch that hasn’t been heavily browsed…..Sometimes you gotta open up your mind to what you see instead of what folks tell you to see…… …….Think fer yourself and have some perspective….. Hell, I might not be worth a damn at hunting and that might not even be my deer in the pic…… wink laugh

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The #1 secret to killing big deer. Hunt where there are big deer.


Yeah, it sure improves the odds dont it. laugh


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Originally Posted by CNC
Here's another idea just to throw out there.........Something else that could have helped this situation is if I had a mower that would chop up the biomass really fine instead of the coarse way a bushhog does it......I think that would be more ideal for some applications such as this growing season mowing I just did. If you understand the concepts and principles then you can make your own "method".


That is why I bought a flail mower. I have a JD 1026R and a 48 in commecial flail mower, and let me tell you, it will flat cut some crap down. I cut some sunn hemp with it saturday, and I recall someone saying something about it being difficult to cut, but I didn't have any trouble with it. And it mulches it up really nice.

It is not a fan of really wet material though. So its better to wait until the dew is off stuff to get a better mulch distribution. I showed my landscaper at work a video of me cutting down green 5 + foot tall cereal grain fields this spring with it.

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I have heard deer eat hickory nuts, but dang, if it takes a squirrel some serious effort to get into one.

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This old hen says she aint leaving no matter what……She’s been chased by the dogs and damn near run over by the tractor and she’s still coming back for more……She’s been dusting in the same mowed area I was showing. I have found that some animals will do this when there are bountiful resources available in an area…....I’ve watched this with deer especially........There’s also a loaded pear tree right beside me that has lots of bugs around it and that's probably part of the draw to her as well…..…..I think there’s some kind of natural risk/reward assessment going on there and some of them choose to tolerate the risk due to the reward. I had a doe one year have her fawn in a patch of brush right beside my driveway about 50 yards from my house. She stayed there for a couple weeks at least tolerating our coming and going. I think that was a similar risk/reward situation for her.

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Looks like a knee high weed patch with a rotten pear thrown in it.

That's pretty awesome I don't think I've ever seen that before... we typically mow around our pear trees.


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Originally Posted by CNC
When I was teenager I used to sit around and read every deer hunting magazine that was on the shelf…..It actually got to the point that by the time I was in my mid twenties I pretty much just stopped because every article I read seemed like some repeat or regurgitation of something I read 5 years earlier……(I guess my hypocrisy here knows no bounds) laugh

Back then I took it all as the gospel and there was indeed a lot of quality information in all of it that I gained a lot of knowledge from……As I’ve gotten older though I’ve learned to take it all with a grain of salt. It’s funny looking back because I can remember when a lot of my perceptions of things began to change years ago. I had just gotten to know some of my Macon Co “neighbors” and they asked me if I wanted to take some pics for a magazine article ….be the hunter in the pic……I said “Heck yeah!!!”…..Getting to be in the deer hunting mags that I had read for so many years was really cool. However, during the process as we laid the buck down in the best looking row of corn stalks turned just right to the setting sun I realized……”Hey, wait a minute…….All of these pictures are just staged!!!!!”… shocked shocked ……It actually felt like a real “well duh” moment when I thought more about it…… grin

But the bigger idea that I came to realize through all my experiences with the people I’ve met and things I've learned is that much of everything is just personal opinion even amongst the pros and how this person or that person "presents the picture". Doing things this way or that way or what we think we currently know is an ever evolving idea and many of the opinions we pass around are just regurgitating what someone heard repeated at deer camp or read in a magazine, etc. Sometimes though I think you need to allow yourself to forget everything you’ve been “taught” and just open your eyes and mind to what you see before you. Use the common sense God gave you to form your own opinions that are free of so much bias from outside opinions.

Case in point……I cant tell you how many times I’ve read it and heard it repeated that beautyberry is a great deer browse species…..……Now I’ve seen the deer browse a chitload of different plants and yet I cant ever recall seeing beautyberry being browsed at any stage. I’m sure someone has seen it but to me its just about running neck in neck with dog fennel for the least browsed. Are people actually seeing it being browsed or just repeating the tag line??? On the flip side of that though……how many times have you ever read or heard someone talking about Florida pusley being a highly preferred or top 5 browse specie??? Yet from what I see with my eyes it gets hammered this time of year……You cant find a patch that hasn’t been heavily browsed…..Sometimes you gotta open up your mind to what you see instead of what folks tell you to see…… …….Think fer yourself and have some perspective….. Hell, I might not be worth a damn at hunting and that might not even be my deer in the pic…… wink laugh

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Wow Is that you and that your Buck CNC?

Dang it is a nice one. I hope to someday shoot a good one for the wall! Hopefully using your tips and tactics will pay off for me. Thanks again and keep them coming!

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[quote=CNC]When I was teenager I used to sit around and read every deer hunting magazine that was on the shelf…..It actually got to the point that by the time I was in my mid twenties I pretty much just stopped because every article I read seemed like some repeat or regurgitation of something I read 5 years earlier……(I guess my hypocrisy here knows no bounds) laugh

Back then I took it all as the gospel and there was indeed a lot of quality information in all of it that I gained a lot of knowledge from……As I’ve gotten older though I’ve learned to take it all with a grain of salt. It’s funny looking back because I can remember when a lot of my perceptions of things began to change years ago. I had just gotten to know some of my Macon Co “neighbors” and they asked me if I wanted to take some pics for a magazine article ….be the hunter in the pic……I said “Heck yeah!!!”…..Getting to be in the deer hunting mags that I had read for so many years was really cool. However, during the process as we laid the buck down in the best looking row of corn stalks turned just right to the setting sun I realized……”Hey, wait a minute…….All of these pictures are just staged!!!!!”… shocked shocked ……It actually felt like a real “well duh” moment when I thought more about it…… grin

But the bigger idea that I came to realize through all my experiences with the people I’ve met and things I've learned is that much of everything is just personal opinion even amongst the pros and how this person or that person "presents the picture". Doing things this way or that way or what we think we currently know is an ever evolving idea and many of the opinions we pass around are just regurgitating what someone heard repeated at deer camp or read in a magazine, etc. Sometimes though I think you need to allow yourself to forget everything you’ve been “taught” and just open your eyes and mind to what you see before you. Use the common sense God gave you to form your own opinions that are free of so much bias from outside opinions.

Case in point……I cant tell you how many times I’ve read it and heard it repeated that beautyberry is a great deer browse species…..……Now I’ve seen the deer browse a chitload of different plants and yet I cant ever recall seeing beautyberry being browsed at any stage. I’m sure someone has seen it but to me its just about running neck in neck with dog fennel for the least browsed. Are people actually seeing it being browsed or just repeating the tag line??? On the flip side of that though……how many times have you ever read or heard someone talking about Florida pusley being a highly preferred or top 5 browse specie??? Yet from what I see with my eyes it gets hammered this time of year……You cant find a patch that hasn’t been heavily browsed…..Sometimes you gotta open up your mind to what you see instead of what folks tell you to see…… …….Think fer yourself and have some perspective….. Hell, I might not be worth a damn at hunting and that might not even be my deer in the pic…… wink laugh

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Wow Is that you and that your Buck CNC?

Dang it is a nice one. How much do you think he scored? have you gotten a lot of good ones like that?

I hope to someday shoot a good one for the wall! Hopefully using your tips and tactics will pay off for me. Thanks again and keep the posts coming! thumbup

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Thanks! Yes, that was a deer I killed.....Not sure what he scored but it wasnt much probably. beers


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