I don’t have an agenda, just a set of facts. Over 20 friends and acquaintances passed away. None vaccinated. I don’t know of anyone vaccinated who has passed away. Just facts. Feel free to keep scrolling

I dont recall using you as an example or using your handle. Scroll on down yo self.

If he'd stated that the friends he lost were vaccinated, your post would be completely different.

Sorry for yours and everyone else's loss Jawbone. This damn virus has changed a lot if lives.


Oh, and que gmhunter with 27 links to absolute clot shot facts against them.

How many of those 20 plus, that you personally know, died before there were any vaccines or real therapeutics being made available to the public for treatment (before Feb 2021)?

Several died early on. Probably 5. At least 20 have passed since vaccines and therapies were available. Seems those that passed early on had underlying problems. These lately have been younger and as far as I know healthy.

Got 2 friends who have suddenly died this week both just after receiving the vaccine or thats what I am told. Family just walks in and finds them dead, assumption is blood clots

The initial post was about losing friends. You and jwalker turned it to antivax rhetoric.

Most of the 20 recent deaths (since vax available) people that you know personally in Alabama or people you just heard about all over the US from friends saying they knew someone that died?

U need to read the original post jmj120...it was about both
Prayers sent jawbone

Which vax did they take?

You must have telepathic skills. I reread my post and don't see anything antivaxx in it. Please explain Mr. Ouija.

I don’t have an agenda, just a set of facts. Over 20 friends and acquaintances passed away. None vaccinated. I don’t know of anyone vaccinated who has passed away. Just facts. Feel free to keep scrolling [/quote]

I dont recall using you as an example or using your handle. Scroll on down yo self.[/quote]
The initial post was about losing friends. You and jwalker turned it to antivax rhetoric. [/quote]






You might want to read the first sentence. It started out as vax pushing rhetoric. The man used the death of his friends to push his opinion on the "vaccine". Thats a fact. And Eclipse, if you think im the kind of fella that would do that, please comb through my posts and show me where i did that. There have certainly been plenty of opportunities. Regarding death i usually try to be respectful. But if you want to post up an article or opinion, ill comment just like everybody else. Some things are just better left alone. Im sure the families of those five dead friends would agree.

Most of the 20 recent deaths (since vax available) people that you know personally in Alabama or people you just heard about all over the US from friends saying they knew someone that died?
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People I know. Look, there’s no need in me even responding to you. You must just sit around trying to poke holes in everyone’s posts. Don’t take it, I don’t give a F. If seeing people laying in hospital beds dying doesn’t change your mind nothing on a forum will.

Actually, the families of deceased people who were unvaccinated that I know of are doing the exact opposite - they've become advocates of the vaccine and most seem to be very outspoken about it. They're usually up front honest about why they didn't get the vaccine and why they have changed their mind. That's just the people I know - it may not be that way with others though.

I believe it’s everyone’s right to decide if they want the vaccine or not but with regards to D above, vaccine makers have had almost complete immunity since Reagan signed the National Childhood vaccine injury Act in 1986. They also created a means of compensation for those injuries that the GOVERNMENT pays which was the VICP which has paid out $3.9 billion dollars since it was passed. They passed the PREP act for the COVID vaccines to include the people who administer the vaccines as being immune from liability. They also created another means of compensation, CICP, which the government also pays. Now whether the government stands behind the CICP and actually pays any claims remains to be seen.

While I agree there are definite arguments to be made about the vaccines, the immunity deal is not one of them.

I just like to cut thru all the BS so that people might actually have some good info as to whether to take it or not. Here’s some facts for you JmJ120, since you stated “facts” earlier in your post. There were right at 10,000 Covid deaths in Alabama before the first vaccine was even available. Thru yesterday, there have been 12,673 total deaths. That means since the vax came into play, roughy 2,673 people have died. Youre saying you personally have lost over 20 friends and acquaintances. So You personally knew 1% of all the deaths occurring in Alabama since the vax came out. That means you have to be one of three things: a liar, the unluckiest guy in the world, or you run with some of the most unhealthy people in the US.

If you are telliing the truth, prayers for you and those around you. I’m not anti-vax but I hate seeing lies and misinformation being spread wholesale trying to scare people into doing something. It makes it real hard to evaluate the risk and reward and make an informed decision as to whether to take the shot or not. Here’s my personal experience:

I know 4 people that have died from Covid. One was Male, 64 and had serious lung problems due to asbestos exposure and was fully vaxed. I know another that was 74 female, probably 125lbs overweight and diabetic unvaxed. Third was a 48yr old male, 50-75lbs overweight, no other known health problems Unvaxed .

And lastly, I know one 62 yr old female, 5’’6” 130 lbs, great shape, zero health problems, got the (moderna)shot at 8:00 am, started feeling bad with a headache about 4:30, told her husband she was going to take a nap before dinner and laid down on the couch. He went to wake her up for dinner at 6:30 pm and she was not breathing, pronounced dead at 7:30 pm, 11.5 hrs after getting the jab.

So excuse me If the vax doesn’t have a stellar track record in my little world. Vax didn’t save one, may have killed one, and two died that possibly would not have if they were vaxed. Personal experience leads one to be skeptical when seeing people posting obvious BS (like personally knowing 1% of all the deaths in AL) and then telling people to get vaxed every other post. If you’re making yourself feel better about your decision by posting then by all means do so, just tell people what you’re doing it so that it doesn’t influence them. I know a ton of people that have taken the jab and not had any problems yet, Numerous vaxed and even more completely unvaxed people that have had Covid and gotten over it just fine on their own, and a I also know a ton of people like me, trying to sort thru all the BS, statistical manipulation, and outright lies in an attempt to figure out whether it’s worth it or not to take a vaccine for which zero, long term clinical trials have been performed. Regardless of ones stance, it should be a personal decision and everyone, both vaxed and unvaxed should be praying for the end of this virus and each other’s health and safety.

Jawbone, prayers for you and the families of those that you know that have passed. Same for you and yours JMJ

Buried my mother in law this week. Fully vaxed and died of covid. Her blood sugar got out of whack and she went to the hospital for an overnight stay. Got it from one of the doctors or nurses apparently.

Strong Post abolt.... Prayers jawbone.....

Yes 💪 post Abolt.