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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: Mbrock]
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11/24/21 04:41 PM
11/24/21 04:41 PM
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Done let my son shoot a doe on a field today at 3:45. I shot one at 4:15. Field is still filling up with deer now. 1/2 acre field that hasn’t been hunted but once all season. It’ll probably not get hunted again until rut. They do not care as long as you don’t HUNT often and make bad decisions. Killing them does not hurt a thing and never has anywhere I’ve ever hunted. Hunting on the wrong wind, hunting 2-3 times a week, spooking them while climbing up and leaving your stands etc is a much larger issue than an occasional gun shot. We are looking at more pile in as I type. I’m gonna sit right here, watch the show, drive back in after dark, load em up and all will be well. 😂😂
Y’all need to take a chill pill during thanksgiving and relax. Don’t overthink it. 😉 That last one was really just to trigger 257... .... Happy Thanksgiving!
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: bhammedic84]
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11/24/21 05:01 PM
11/24/21 05:01 PM
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257wbymag
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Asking CNC not to overanalyze something. Now there’s a funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: bhammedic84]
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11/24/21 07:14 PM
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There are deer that see,hear and smell people year round and there are deer that never see,hear or smell people. The deer where I hunt come unglued at the presence of people. There is no one on the property 11 months out of the year and it’s some rough mtns.
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: ridgestalker]
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11/24/21 08:16 PM
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There are deer that see,hear and smell people year round and there are deer that never see,hear or smell people. The deer where I hunt come unglued at the presence of people. There is no one on the property 11 months out of the year and it’s some rough mtns. That's right.
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: 257wbymag]
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11/25/21 08:52 AM
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Asking CNC not to overanalyze something. Now there’s a funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣 A dog becoming gun shy after someone "just shoots" a gun around it would have been a better example of the potential psychological impact of the "BOOOM" on a deer.......
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: CNC]
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11/25/21 08:58 AM
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Asking CNC not to overanalyze something. Now there’s a funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣 A dog becoming gun shy after someone "just shoots" a gun around it would have been a better example of the potential psychological impact of the "BOOOM" on a deer....... Do you know how many booms the average deer hears in a day during hunting season? I suspect they hear better than me and I bet I hear 5 a day minimum, so day a deer hears 10 a day for 3 months a yr not to mention thunder, trees falling trucks on roads etc. My deer barely pic their heads up at a boom
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: bhammedic84]
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11/25/21 09:01 AM
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My deer don’t react to booms much at all
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: bhammedic84]
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11/25/21 09:22 AM
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Y’all have a real black and white….all or nothing way of assessing it……….Yeah sure, there are times when you shoot that the deer don’t know where it came from and the distance from the Boom plays a factor…….However, there are PLENTY and likely far more situations where deer are shot at and they turn inside out trying to get the hell out of there……Again, deer can and often times do respond to one single negative event and most definitely will change behavior if it happens repeatedly……What you are telling me about are the few times when it didn’t matter when all it takes is the one time that it does to have an impact……All it takes is for someone to walk out and try to train a dog the wrong way ONE time to leave a life long negative association with a gun. Have you ever seen a dog that was bow shy??
Last edited by CNC; 11/25/21 09:23 AM.
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: bhammedic84]
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11/25/21 09:25 AM
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257wbymag
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Wyncreek will get a Cracker Jack hire in you.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: bhammedic84]
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11/25/21 09:47 AM
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While we’re overthinking and overanalyzing…….something else to think about is that the dog forms a negative association with the visual sight of the gun because of the BOOM……I think there is the potential for the deer to form the same negative association with shooting houses and stands and we know this happens….Everywhere I go for the most part I see shooting houses and such that are stuck out in the open ……For the most part the norm is for hunters to go with a blatantly obvious shooting house on the side of a field or what have you……..This sets the stage and creates the visual object for the deer to form the negative association with…..Which is what ends of causing those deer to come out and watch the stand or check it out…..stomp and blow at it, etc…….
Where this really has the potential to be impactful is with the bucks and many folks may not even know its happening…….Bucks, especially older ones, have a tendency to hang back in the woods or in the thicket and watch the field for a while before they ever show themselves…..There no telling how many times each year a hunter is seen moving around and fittle farting in his shooting house by a buck that’s sitting back in the woods watching and knowing where to watch……What I would suggest is to take more a sniper mindset to setting up blinds and stands around fields and ghillie them in where the deer don’t have that blatant object to form the negative association with…..when a boom happens then they don’t have the visual of the stand to tie it to and start watching from then on.
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: hamma]
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11/25/21 10:28 AM
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Let me get this straight.. I think its safe to say The vast majority of hunters on here all stop shooting does on plots by January.. quite a few of these same folks dont seem to think doe killing on plots has a negative impact at all prior to January. Then why would they stop shooting does on plots? There's a reason for it & its not because it helps buck sightings Cause they shot the does they wanted to shoot before Jan. For the record we shoot em whenever we like on plots no matter the month
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: CNC]
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11/25/21 10:34 AM
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While we’re overthinking and overanalyzing…….something else to think about is that the dog forms a negative association with the visual sight of the gun because of the BOOM……I think there is the potential for the deer to form the same negative association with shooting houses and stands and we know this happens….Everywhere I go for the most part I see shooting houses and such that are stuck out in the open ……For the most part the norm is for hunters to go with a blatantly obvious shooting house on the side of a field or what have you……..This sets the stage and creates the visual object for the deer to form the negative association with…..Which is what ends of causing those deer to come out and watch the stand or check it out…..stomp and blow at it, etc…….
Where this really has the potential to be impactful is with the bucks and many folks may not even know its happening…….Bucks, especially older ones, have a tendency to hang back in the woods or in the thicket and watch the field for a while before they ever show themselves…..There no telling how many times each year a hunter is seen moving around and fittle farting in his shooting house by a buck that’s sitting back in the woods watching and knowing where to watch……What I would suggest is to take more a sniper mindset to setting up blinds and stands around fields and ghillie them in where the deer don’t have that blatant object to form the negative association with…..when a boom happens then they don’t have the visual of the stand to tie it to and start watching from then on.
CNC the dog is experiencing the negative effect and you use the same dog over and over, the deer that experiences the negative impact from the "boom" is dead so it cant return. A negative effect can be caused by pressure, scent etc but the sound is not the only thing that causes the negative effect for deer imo. I hear what you are saying with older bucks hanging back etc etc but again the boom does not bother the older buck its the human presence that caused him to become this way. On our farm all mature deer we kill are out at least and hour before dark, they dont wait til dark to come out because we do not hunt them in a way that pressures them and causes them to go nocturnal as they never know we are there.
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: bhammedic84]
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11/25/21 10:54 AM
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Of course the deer that was shot is dead but we’re talking about all of the other ones that were with it or in the field at the time another one was shot in front of them…..There are also a LOT of misses and skint up deer each year too that learn from the experience…………Look, I agree with you that scent and human presence CAN be a factor that causes pressure…..What I’m saying is……the reason that deer have those negative associations with humans and ARE scared of their scent and presence is because humans shoot at them……That’s the root cause of it…….Just look at the basic concept at play here……Y’all are trying to say that the more humans are around deer the more it has a negative impact…….yet the opposite is true……The more humans are around deer…..the more they become used to them and it becomes a positive……Just look at Cades Cove as an example or Guntersville State Park…..So what is the main overriding factor that separates these positive human experiences from the negative ones?? People chase deer all over Cades Cove with cameras……
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: bhammedic84]
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11/25/21 11:18 AM
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Something to keep in mind about this discussion is that we really not talking about “right or wrong”…..it's not that one will work and the other wont...….it’s more a discussion about long term efficiency. Just like 257 has said in the past.......Keeping the herd dumb
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: bhammedic84]
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11/25/21 11:43 AM
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Some people don’t understand that the question of shooting does on food plots is not just the negative effect on doe usage of plots but the effect of all that shooting noise and pressure on bucks that see and hear all that pressure.
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Re: killing does on food plots
[Re: bhammedic84]
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11/25/21 11:46 AM
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I like keeping the herd dumb. I think that’s a very important aspect of management too when it comes to does. Those old matriarch stompers will ruin a place faster than anything else
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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