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Re: Covid hospitalizations in Ontario
[Re: Lockjaw]
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01/24/22 05:59 AM
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Ben2
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Cause the number of vaxed people is so much higher than unvaxed. If half the pop was vaxed and half was not this wouls mean something but if 80% pop is vaxed it does not really mean anything unfortunately.
Last edited by Ben2; 01/24/22 06:00 AM.
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Re: Covid hospitalizations in Ontario
[Re: Lockjaw]
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01/24/22 06:04 AM
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riflenut
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But it shows what most of us already know........these "vaccinations" don't help at all
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Covid hospitalizations in Ontario
[Re: riflenut]
#3593050
01/24/22 06:17 AM
01/24/22 06:17 AM
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Ben2
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But it shows what most of us already know........these "vaccinations" don't help at all Not really if 80% population got vaxes and 25 people are in the hospital and 20% unvaxed and 20 people in hospital it would show the 80% faired better than the 20%
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Re: Covid hospitalizations in Ontario
[Re: Lockjaw]
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01/24/22 09:48 AM
01/24/22 09:48 AM
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Ben2
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It really is because the cases are 3 to 1 vaxed to unvaxed, which again shows the vax is not the answer. So if you do the math there is 3 times the chance of being in icu if you are unvaxed vs fully vaxed based on the article posted in this thread. Still great ods you dont go to the hospital regardless. The percentage of the 30,000,000 vaxed that currently in icu is 0.0000027% 8,000,000 unvaxed that currently in icu is 0.0000076% Chance of currently hospitalized is still higher for unvaxed 30,000,000 vaxed 0.00007% 8,000,000 unvaxed 0.000098% Note I am not vaccinated nor do I plan to be but data can be misleading
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Re: Covid hospitalizations in Ontario
[Re: Lockjaw]
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01/24/22 12:26 PM
01/24/22 12:26 PM
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cartervj
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Ivermectin does not always work. A healthy 30 yr old died trying that method
Way too many variables to proclaim anything is absolute with covid.
Unless you wanna count the politicalization by both sides.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Covid hospitalizations in Ontario
[Re: Lockjaw]
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01/24/22 01:16 PM
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Math is hard for me. Common sense tells me this virus should kill everyone that's not vaxxed since it wo.....nevermind. I'd give Covid another 5 years of study before the real vaccine is discovered.
Skinny is my EX.Alcohol was involved.
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Re: Covid hospitalizations in Ontario
[Re: Lockjaw]
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01/24/22 01:17 PM
01/24/22 01:17 PM
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cartervj
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You know what is absolute? The majority of people dying with/from it have 4 or more co-morbidities. If you are healthy, there is a less than 1% chance of covid killing you. People have died from taking the vax. People have developed serious long term problems from taking the vax.
And the biggest absolute is the vax doesn't prevent you from catching or transmitting the virus.
Yet those folks do have loved ones. They’re not a freaking number. To make you feel better. Sounds very liberal of you. I get your point. But you’re being an ass about it!!!!
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Covid hospitalizations in Ontario
[Re: Ben2]
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01/24/22 01:53 PM
01/24/22 01:53 PM
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But it shows what most of us already know........these "vaccinations" don't help at all Not really if 80% population got vaxes and 25 people are in the hospital and 20% unvaxed and 20 people in hospital it would show the 80% faired better than the 20% Total hospitalized "population": 3056 Canada is 83% vaxed and 17% unvaxed. Assuming the vax does not work at all, with both groups just as likely to catch it, you would expect that there would be 520 unvaxed (17% x 3056) in the hospital based on percentage distribution. There are actually 783 unvaxed hospitalized. Therefore there are two things that could be involved. Based on the fact that 83% of the population is vaxed, yet 74.4% ((2,273 hospitalizations versus an expected count of 2,536 (83% x 3056), if the vax was not working at all)) of the hospitalizations are vaxed individuals, either the vax is only working slightly to prevent hospitalizations or it could possibly be that the 17% unvaxed in Canada, as are a group of the population, is less healthy, poorer, probably dont or cant see doctors on a regular basis, in which case they would/could have more undiagnosed comorbidities than those in the vaxed population, which most likely sees doctors on a regular basis, masks, and follows all the covid precaution rules. This in turn would lead to a higher percentage of those in the unvaxed population being hospitalized. We are being told that getting vaxed reduces your chances of hospitalization by 90+%, which it obviously does not. So the question remains, if the vax actually works as advertised, almost all of the 3056 hospitalizations should be unvaxed and the vaxed cases shouldnt be more than a couple hundred cases at most, yet there are 2,273? Hate for statistics to rain on everyone's parade but these statistics indicate that in fact, the vax is certainly not even remotely as effective as published, if it is working at all.
Last edited by abolt300; 01/24/22 01:57 PM.
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Re: Covid hospitalizations in Ontario
[Re: abolt300]
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01/24/22 02:34 PM
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But it shows what most of us already know........these "vaccinations" don't help at all Not really if 80% population got vaxes and 25 people are in the hospital and 20% unvaxed and 20 people in hospital it would show the 80% faired better than the 20% Total hospitalized "population": 3056 Canada is 83% vaxed and 17% unvaxed. Assuming the vax does not work at all, with both groups just as likely to catch it, you would expect that there would be 520 unvaxed (17% x 3056) in the hospital based on percentage distribution. There are actually 783 unvaxed hospitalized. Therefore there are two things that could be involved. Based on the fact that 83% of the population is vaxed, yet 74.4% ((2,273 hospitalizations versus an expected count of 2,536 (83% x 3056), if the vax was not working at all)) of the hospitalizations are vaxed individuals, either the vax is only working slightly to prevent hospitalizations or it could possibly be that the 17% unvaxed in Canada, as are a group of the population, is less healthy, poorer, probably dont or cant see doctors on a regular basis, in which case they would/could have more undiagnosed comorbidities than those in the vaxed population, which most likely sees doctors on a regular basis, masks, and follows all the covid precaution rules. This in turn would lead to a higher percentage of those in the unvaxed population being hospitalized. We are being told that getting vaxed reduces your chances of hospitalization by 90+%, which it obviously does not. So the question remains, if the vax actually works as advertised, almost all of the 3056 hospitalizations should be unvaxed and the vaxed cases shouldnt be more than a couple hundred cases at most, yet there are 2,273? Hate for statistics to rain on everyone's parade but these statistics indicate that in fact, the vax is certainly not even remotely as effective as published, if it is working at all. Just to play devils advocate…… It is also possible that the (83%) vaxxed possess traits that make them more likely as a group, to be hospitalized. Age, pre-existing conditions, etc. while the (17%) un-vaxxed may primarily be made up of kids, young adults, healthier people, etc. The only things we really know at this point… 1. The vaccine is not a cure all. 2. Long term side effects are unknown. 3. If you are below 50 and healthy, you have nothing to fear statistically.
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Re: Covid hospitalizations in Ontario
[Re: cartervj]
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01/24/22 03:00 PM
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eclipse829
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You know what is absolute? The majority of people dying with/from it have 4 or more co-morbidities. If you are healthy, there is a less than 1% chance of covid killing you. People have died from taking the vax. People have developed serious long term problems from taking the vax.
And the biggest absolute is the vax doesn't prevent you from catching or transmitting the virus.
Yet those folks do have loved ones. They’re not a freaking number. To make you feel better. Sounds very liberal of you. I get your point. But you’re being an ass about it!!!! Lockjaw is the newly self appointed Anti-Vax spokesperson.
Killing my neighbors deer since 1982
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Re: Covid hospitalizations in Ontario
[Re: Atoler]
#3593497
01/24/22 03:46 PM
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But it shows what most of us already know........these "vaccinations" don't help at all Not really if 80% population got vaxes and 25 people are in the hospital and 20% unvaxed and 20 people in hospital it would show the 80% faired better than the 20% Total hospitalized "population": 3056 Canada is 83% vaxed and 17% unvaxed. Assuming the vax does not work at all, with both groups just as likely to catch it, you would expect that there would be 520 unvaxed (17% x 3056) in the hospital based on percentage distribution. There are actually 783 unvaxed hospitalized. Therefore there are two things that could be involved. Based on the fact that 83% of the population is vaxed, yet 74.4% ((2,273 hospitalizations versus an expected count of 2,536 (83% x 3056), if the vax was not working at all)) of the hospitalizations are vaxed individuals, either the vax is only working slightly to prevent hospitalizations or it could possibly be that the 17% unvaxed in Canada, as are a group of the population, is less healthy, poorer, probably dont or cant see doctors on a regular basis, in which case they would/could have more undiagnosed comorbidities than those in the vaxed population, which most likely sees doctors on a regular basis, masks, and follows all the covid precaution rules. This in turn would lead to a higher percentage of those in the unvaxed population being hospitalized. We are being told that getting vaxed reduces your chances of hospitalization by 90+%, which it obviously does not. So the question remains, if the vax actually works as advertised, almost all of the 3056 hospitalizations should be unvaxed and the vaxed cases shouldnt be more than a couple hundred cases at most, yet there are 2,273? Hate for statistics to rain on everyone's parade but these statistics indicate that in fact, the vax is certainly not even remotely as effective as published, if it is working at all. Just to play devils advocate…… It is also possible that the (83%) vaxxed possess traits that make them more likely as a group, to be hospitalized. Age, pre-existing conditions, etc. while the (17%) un-vaxxed may primarily be made up of kids, young adults, healthier people, etc. The only things we really know at this point… 1. The vaccine is not a cure all. 2. Long term side effects are unknown. 3. If you are below 50 and healthy, you have nothing to fear statistically. Exactly and a whole myriad of other variables. Point I was making was dont look at the raw numbers without context and say "you are 3 times more likely to be hospitalized if you are unvaxed", and just because you get the shot does not mean that you're not going to be put in the hospital. I agree completely with you. It absolutely doesn't protect you from getting it, nobody knows the long term side effects, it may or may not offer some protection against severe cases, and you will never see the raw numbers and breakdowns anywhere in the US because it goes against the NIH and CDC's scripted narrative. All about the politics and $$$.
Last edited by abolt300; 01/24/22 03:47 PM.
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Re: Covid hospitalizations in Ontario
[Re: Lockjaw]
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01/24/22 03:48 PM
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Fattyfireplug
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Damn the math. If the vax is working, hospitalizations should be down. Period. WTH is wrong with some of you?
Character is not developed in moments of temptation and trial. That is when it is intended to be used.
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Re: Covid hospitalizations in Ontario
[Re: Fattyfireplug]
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01/24/22 03:50 PM
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Skinny
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Damn the math. If the vax is working, hospitalizations should be down. Period. WTH is wrong with some of you? Precisely. When was the last time there was a case of measles or diphtheria reported from a vaccinated person?
Last edited by Skinny; 01/24/22 03:51 PM.
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