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Re: 1.5 million my a$$
[Re: ChrisAU]
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02/02/22 03:22 PM
02/02/22 03:22 PM
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hawndog
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Riddle me this - if Alfa and the politicians wants every deer in the state dead, then why is there a 3 buck limit? They want freezers full of does What is more expensive to insurance companies - car collisions with does or car collisions with bucks? Sure sure, removing does affects the population more than bucks. But if its all about $ and politics, the 3 buck limit becomes an antithesis. 3 buck limit means more does get shot. People shoot does to fill freezer instead of bucks. More does killed means less deer. Less deer means less bucks.
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Re: 1.5 million my a$$
[Re: Super Dave]
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02/02/22 03:33 PM
02/02/22 03:33 PM
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Mbrock
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I've always heard, maybe some of the deer biologist on here can confirm or deny, that buck fawn relocate away from their mother around 1 1/2 years of age 1 to 5 miles away. If this is true it adds yet another variable to the equation.
David The majority of bucks on your property were likely not born there. They disperse from their birth place. Sometimes a mile. Sometimes 20 miles.
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Re: 1.5 million my a$$
[Re: Mbrock]
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02/02/22 03:58 PM
02/02/22 03:58 PM
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Super Dave
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I've always heard, maybe some of the deer biologist on here can confirm or deny, that buck fawn relocate away from their mother around 1 1/2 years of age 1 to 5 miles away. If this is true it adds yet another variable to the equation.
David The majority of bucks on your property were likely not born there. They disperse from their birth place. Sometimes a mile. Sometimes 20 miles. Thanks for confirming. I've witnessed the does whacking the snot out of spikes and chasing them off. This year I've been able to see some cool interaction between the does I feed. They are tolerant of me as long as I stay inside the fence, (my yard), and 10 to 15 yards from them. David
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Re: 1.5 million my a$$
[Re: Mbrock]
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02/02/22 04:53 PM
02/02/22 04:53 PM
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WmHunter
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I've always heard, maybe some of the deer biologist on here can confirm or deny, that buck fawn relocate away from their mother around 1 1/2 years of age 1 to 5 miles away. If this is true it adds yet another variable to the equation.
David The majority of bucks on your property were likely not born there. They disperse from their birth place. Sometimes a mile. Sometimes 20 miles. At what point is the dispersal? I have always thought that it is when they are a full age of one year or shortly thereafter. But some people say after 1.5 years.
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Re: 1.5 million my a$$
[Re: WmHunter]
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02/02/22 05:14 PM
02/02/22 05:14 PM
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Right behind you
Mbrock
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I've always heard, maybe some of the deer biologist on here can confirm or deny, that buck fawn relocate away from their mother around 1 1/2 years of age 1 to 5 miles away. If this is true it adds yet another variable to the equation.
David The majority of bucks on your property were likely not born there. They disperse from their birth place. Sometimes a mile. Sometimes 20 miles. At what point is the dispersal? I have always thought that it is when they are a full age of one year or shortly thereafter. But some people say after 1.5 years. It can begin any time after weaning but the majority of them disperse within that first year or so. And what a lot of people don’t realize is bucks of any age can, and do, disperse at times.
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Re: 1.5 million my a$$
[Re: wk2hnt]
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02/02/22 05:29 PM
02/02/22 05:29 PM
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Chelsea
Lockjaw
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Yes but wouldn't it stand to reason that some of mine disperse and then I get some that were dispersed off other properties?
I am sorry, but this is still a math issue for me. If the state limits you to 3 bucks, but you can kill as many doe's as you can get in front of you and pull the trigger on, at what point does our deer herd consist mainly of bucks? Every club I have been in is this way. The second gun season opens, its wide open on doe killing. If they limit it, which one of mine did, to no doe's could be killed off a greenfield after 12/31, you know what I heard most of the guys say?
The minute it steps off the greenfield, its dead meat. You could do that at my club, the minute one steps off the field, BOOM!! Technically you are following the rule.
And if you have been shooting every doe off a green field for a month and a half, what good does it do to stop on 12/31? Wouldn't it make more sense to say no doe's can be killed off a green field until January 15? At least by then you stand a good chance of the doe's feeling comfy on the greenfield and likely a buck will come out there.
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Re: 1.5 million my a$$
[Re: Droptine-13]
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02/03/22 10:44 AM
02/03/22 10:44 AM
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Chelsea
Lockjaw
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No doubt there was twice as many deer here 15 or so yrs ago. The state needs to reconsider the 1 doe a day all season. You can't manage the state as a whole. Each county has different deer densities, depending on habitat and food sources. Hell 15 yrs from now there's liable to not be but a few thousand at the rate we're going. I've never understood the whole blast every doe you see but you can only kill 3 bucks. Makes a whole lot of sense but that what you get when you have ppl controlling things they have no clue of. It's like engineers drawing blue prints but never put boots on the ground to see day to day operations. Everything looks good on paper till you get out on the jobsite to see things for yourself. This is what I am saying. I have a bioloigist telling me to shoot 15 doe's this year so we can age them. She has seen the property 1 time, for a couple hours. I am on the property over 400 hours a year. I have camera's out. I am planting and maintaining. I said 15 was way to many. 15 spikes perhaps, but not doe's. I am hunting a lease that is managed for timber production first. I have less than 1% of my total acreage planted on limed and fertilized plots. I cannot carry a super high deer density with that, and over 400 acre's of land with basically pine straw and nothing else on the ground. When they thin or cut it, then I can support more. Then I have 300+ acre's of pine thickets I can't even get into. And the Timber co is telling us what kind of buck we can shoot. The problem is, based upon the number of acre's of territory for a mature buck, I have about 4 of them. If I am 30 deer per sq mile, then I have 50 deer on my lease. Assuming 25 are doe's and 25 are bucks, 4 of which are mature, that means I have 21 bucks running around and maybe only a handful of them will be mature next season. They can be passed on. Culling some of the spikes won't hurt my numbers at all. It might deprive me of a future trophy, but so might killing a doe. I have to keep the buck kills to doe kills even to keep the population from skewing towards having more bucks than doe's. There is no way around that. Ideally I need to kill more bucks than doe's, because I don't need many bucks to breed all the doe's.
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Re: 1.5 million my a$$
[Re: Lockjaw]
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02/03/22 10:56 AM
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No doubt there was twice as many deer here 15 or so yrs ago. The state needs to reconsider the 1 doe a day all season. You can't manage the state as a whole. Each county has different deer densities, depending on habitat and food sources. Hell 15 yrs from now there's liable to not be but a few thousand at the rate we're going. I've never understood the whole blast every doe you see but you can only kill 3 bucks. Makes a whole lot of sense but that what you get when you have ppl controlling things they have no clue of. It's like engineers drawing blue prints but never put boots on the ground to see day to day operations. Everything looks good on paper till you get out on the jobsite to see things for yourself. This is what I am saying. I have a bioloigist telling me to shoot 15 doe's this year so we can age them. She has seen the property 1 time, for a couple hours. I am on the property over 400 hours a year. I have camera's out. I am planting and maintaining. I said 15 was way to many. 15 spikes perhaps, but not doe's. I am hunting a lease that is managed for timber production first. I have less than 1% of my total acreage planted on limed and fertilized plots. I cannot carry a super high deer density with that, and over 400 acre's of land with basically pine straw and nothing else on the ground. When they thin or cut it, then I can support more. Then I have 300+ acre's of pine thickets I can't even get into. And the Timber co is telling us what kind of buck we can shoot. The problem is, based upon the number of acre's of territory for a mature buck, I have about 4 of them. If I am 30 deer per sq mile, then I have 50 deer on my lease. Assuming 25 are doe's and 25 are bucks, 4 of which are mature, that means I have 21 bucks running around and maybe only a handful of them will be mature next season. They can be passed on. Culling some of the spikes won't hurt my numbers at all. It might deprive me of a future trophy, but so might killing a doe. I have to keep the buck kills to doe kills even to keep the population from skewing towards having more bucks than doe's. There is no way around that. Ideally I need to kill more bucks than doe's, because I don't need many bucks to breed all the doe's. I believe you are overthinking your situation. It seems to me you are approaching this from an accountants perspective. You're putting the cart before the horse. Until you address the overhunting situation, too many guns, you are wasting time and energy. I don't know what authority you have as president, but about 2/3 of your members need to find another place to hunt. I've been running leases for about 40 years and any member that's not an asset to the lease needs to hit the highway.
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Re: 1.5 million my a$$
[Re: wk2hnt]
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02/03/22 12:11 PM
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treemydog
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I haven't taken the time to read through all these pages, but if AL has 52,419 square miles of land mass, in order for there to be 1.5 million deer, that's saying we average 28.6 deer per sq mi.
I know the metro areas take some of that area away, but 28-29 deer per 640 acres (average) doesn't sound too far out of the realm of possibility. My place is in Elmore Co - not in an area that's considered high deer density, and I bet I have consistently 20 of those 28 on just 215 acres at any given time, based on what my cameras see. I'm not saying that we have a 50/50 ratio, because we do consistently see more small bucks than does, but i'd bet quite a bit of money on us having those 20 on us most of the time. So if the surrounding land parcels which look a while lot like mine produces similar numbers, then there ought to be close to 60 per sq mile.... which is roughly double what it would take to get to 1.5 mil. Even if 60 is a bit high, 50 would still bring the average up quite a bit in an area that isn't considered high deer density land. What would the numbers look like in Macon, Russell, Bullock, Barbour, Dallas, Wilcox, Lowndes.... counties where there's a deer behind every bush?
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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Re: 1.5 million my a$$
[Re: wk2hnt]
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02/03/22 02:55 PM
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WmHunter
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Just because the state allows a person to kill one doe per day doesn't mean they have to - or should.
Obviously, they shouldn't.
The hunting club should be the authority on this. And should limit its members accordingly.
And the club does not have to allow members to kill three bucks either.
The best clubs limit it to two and have age limits like nothing less then 3 or 4 years of age.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
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Re: 1.5 million my a$$
[Re: Backwards cowboy]
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02/03/22 03:39 PM
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How many of you really think if the state changes the season to x amout of does a season, that the people who are killing 10 deer a season are really going to stop killing 10 deer a season. Even the ones who weren't doing it before,now that they got a taste of it will quit. And how if they just change it to killing it to bucks will make any short term effect on deer population. It is my understanding that mother nature adjust the buck to doe ratio on fawns to what's needed in a given area. A given area is NOT property lines. This is why if you have a club that shoots alot of bucks, you have a bunch of spikes on your place but your deer population never get any bigger. It is ridiculous to think you can just change which deer your killing and have more deer. It's also ridiculous to think the government is going to do anything to fix this. We must police ourselves if there is going to be any change! That is a very real problem, ensuring game laws are followed. I noticed last year when I showed up to drop off a deer, they wanted to see the game check number. So if you process, you need a number. If you do your own, the only deterent is the risk of the game warden stopping you. We are strict about following game laws in our club. Maybe we need to think about requiring that from members next season. I don't know.
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Re: 1.5 million my a$$
[Re: wk2hnt]
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02/03/22 05:42 PM
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I travel this state weekly from one end and side every week. I’ve seen more road kill this year than in the past. I don’t really know what that means, it’s just an observation.
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Re: 1.5 million my a$$
[Re: wk2hnt]
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02/03/22 06:11 PM
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Treemydog, not to argue because I’m sure there are 640 acre blocks with more than 28 deer on them but what about the thousands and thousands of acres of open land like row crop and pasture land with 0 deer on them. Like I’ve said I think the state came up with a guess when we did have lots of deer then listed to the so called experts and qdma sounded good and the Alfa lobbyist and pac and they opened up the wholesale deer killing we have today I get it.. there are a lot of acres with courthouses, office buildings, highways, plowed fields, and pastures on them... a lot of the TN river plain is heavy to ag, airports, and sprawl. But my opinion is that if my 215 wooded acres can hold 20 deer in what is considered way less than prime deer density area, those blackbelt counties and other southern counties that are 70, 80, 90+ % forested (from cutovers to mature timber) that potentially hold 50, 60, 70+ deer per square mile on a lot of their square miles can bring the overall average way up statewide. I'm not saying that the number is exactly 1.5 million, but I think that's a better estimate overall than what a lot of folks believe. I have a pal from Limestone county that hunts Bankhead and Wheeler a good bit. He came with me to hunt Barbour WMA and he told me that the WMA, from the sign he saw, holds significantly more deer overall than what he sees on that northern tier put together (his words, not mine). A lot of counties south of the fall line hold those deer densities and help bring up the crappy averages seen in other parts of the state.
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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