What is more expensive to insurance companies - car collisions with does or car collisions with bucks?

Sure sure, removing does affects the population more than bucks. But if its all about $ and politics, the 3 buck limit becomes an antithesis.

I've always heard, maybe some of the deer biologist on here can confirm or deny, that buck fawn relocate away from their mother around 1 1/2 years of age 1 to 5 miles away. If this is true it adds yet another variable to the equation.

David

The majority of bucks on your property were likely not born there. They disperse from their birth place. Sometimes a mile. Sometimes 20 miles.

The majority of bucks on your property were likely not born there. They disperse from their birth place. Sometimes a mile. Sometimes 20 miles.

At what point is the dispersal?
I have always thought that it is when they are a full age of one year or shortly thereafter.
But some people say after 1.5 years.

No doubt there was twice as many deer here 15 or so yrs ago. The state needs to reconsider the 1 doe a day all season. You can't manage the state as a whole. Each county has different deer densities, depending on habitat and food sources. Hell 15 yrs from now there's liable to not be but a few thousand at the rate we're going. I've never understood the whole blast every doe you see but you can only kill 3 bucks. Makes a whole lot of sense but that what you get when you have ppl controlling things they have no clue of. It's like engineers drawing blue prints but never put boots on the ground to see day to day operations. Everything looks good on paper till you get out on the jobsite to see things for yourself.

This is what I am saying. I have a bioloigist telling me to shoot 15 doe's this year so we can age them. She has seen the property 1 time, for a couple hours. I am on the property over 400 hours a year. I have camera's out. I am planting and maintaining. I said 15 was way to many. 15 spikes perhaps, but not doe's.

I am hunting a lease that is managed for timber production first. I have less than 1% of my total acreage planted on limed and fertilized plots. I cannot carry a super high deer density with that, and over 400 acre's of land with basically pine straw and nothing else on the ground. When they thin or cut it, then I can support more. Then I have 300+ acre's of pine thickets I can't even get into. And the Timber co is telling us what kind of buck we can shoot. The problem is, based upon the number of acre's of territory for a mature buck, I have about 4 of them. If I am 30 deer per sq mile, then I have 50 deer on my lease. Assuming 25 are doe's and 25 are bucks, 4 of which are mature, that means I have 21 bucks running around and maybe only a handful of them will be mature next season. They can be passed on. Culling some of the spikes won't hurt my numbers at all. It might deprive me of a future trophy, but so might killing a doe.

I have to keep the buck kills to doe kills even to keep the population from skewing towards having more bucks than doe's. There is no way around that. Ideally I need to kill more bucks than doe's, because I don't need many bucks to breed all the doe's.

How many of you really think if the state changes the season to x amout of does a season, that the people who are killing 10 deer a season are really going to stop killing 10 deer a season. Even the ones who weren't doing it before,now that they got a taste of it will quit. And how if they just change it to killing it to bucks will make any short term effect on deer population. It is my understanding that mother nature adjust the buck to doe ratio on fawns to what's needed in a given area. A given area is NOT property lines. This is why if you have a club that shoots alot of bucks, you have a bunch of spikes on your place but your deer population never get any bigger. It is ridiculous to think you can just change which deer your killing and have more deer. It's also ridiculous to think the government is going to do anything to fix this. We must police ourselves if there is going to be any change!

Treemydog, not to argue because I’m sure there are 640 acre blocks with more than 28 deer on them but what about the thousands and thousands of acres of open land like row crop and pasture land with 0 deer on them. Like I’ve said I think the state came up with a guess when we did have lots of deer then listed to the so called experts and qdma sounded good and the Alfa lobbyist and pac and they opened up the wholesale deer killing we have today