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Re: 1.5 million my a$$ [Re: wk2hnt] #3606091
02/07/22 10:08 AM
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I dont think Lockjaw is really as far off base as what y’all are making him out to be. Just look back at the chart Swampy posted of the kill numbers in the late 80’s and early 90’s……….We killed around 50-75K does each year but 200-250K bucks ……..We used to have a lot higher population base than we do now. We probably have half the deer we had back then. More does on the land produces more bucks that can be killed. What Lockjaw is suggesting to do is the very formula for what we were doing in the late 80’s early nineties when populations were still growing and expanding. The big difference was that back then 50-75K does didnt represent as big of a portion of the total populatoin as it does now with half the amount deer on the land. We would probably have to knock this back to killing a fraction of that number in does now for a several years to see any significant growth occur.


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Re: 1.5 million my a$$ [Re: wk2hnt] #3606417
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I guess lockjaw is not going to reply to my response post after coming on here and calling me a dick and saying I didn’t know anything about managing land or deer. Hope he’s not still mad

Re: 1.5 million my a$$ [Re: wk2hnt] #3608370
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Since jawbone hasn’t replied I guess I will just write it off as an example of someone who posts a lot and asking for advice and coming on here calling people dicks and questioning their knowledge. I just took offense to that and he has a standing offer to call me and come to my house or office and look at my qualifications on the walls and if he wants he can come to Jackson county and ride around and eat steaks a steak and understand that I’ve been h
Where he is and was just trying to help. I just don’t like being called a dick and some stranger questioning whether I know anything. Oh well that’s the internet Al Gore created for us

Re: 1.5 million my a$$ [Re: CNC] #3608654
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Originally Posted by CNC
I dont think Lockjaw is really as far off base as what y’all are making him out to be. Just look back at the chart Swampy posted of the kill numbers in the late 80’s and early 90’s……….We killed around 50-75K does each year but 200-250K bucks ……..We used to have a lot higher population base than we do now. We probably have half the deer we had back then. More does on the land produces more bucks that can be killed. What Lockjaw is suggesting to do is the very formula for what we were doing in the late 80’s early nineties when populations were still growing and expanding. The big difference was that back then 50-75K does didnt represent as big of a portion of the total populatoin as it does now with half the amount deer on the land. We would probably have to knock this back to killing a fraction of that number in does now for a several years to see any significant growth occur.



Something that's being missed is that not all areas have less deer. In my part of south Montgomery county we have as many or more deer than we've ever had. I've lived in the same place for 31 years, so I know what I'm saying.
It's all private land with most of it having fairly light hunting pressure, especially on the killing side.
It's to the point we are going to have to increase our doe harvest. As far as I'm concerned, you can't have too many bucks and we're a long way from having a balanced buck to doe ratio.
The population situation needs to be addressed on a local basis

Re: 1.5 million my a$$ [Re: ronfromramer] #3608676
02/10/22 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ronfromramer


Something that's being missed is that not all areas have less deer. In my part of south Montgomery county we have as many or more deer than we've ever had. I've lived in the same place for 31 years, so I know what I'm saying.
It's all private land with most of it having fairly light hunting pressure, especially on the killing side.
It's to the point we are going to have to increase our doe harvest. As far as I'm concerned, you can't have too many bucks and we're a long way from having a balanced buck to doe ratio.
The population situation needs to be addressed on a local basis



There’s a lot of bowhunters in south Montgomery Co……Some big “bow hunting only” clubs right in the heart of it.


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Re: 1.5 million my a$$ [Re: CNC] #3608737
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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by ronfromramer


Something that's being missed is that not all areas have less deer. In my part of south Montgomery county we have as many or more deer than we've ever had. I've lived in the same place for 31 years, so I know what I'm saying.
It's all private land with most of it having fairly light hunting pressure, especially on the killing side.
It's to the point we are going to have to increase our doe harvest. As far as I'm concerned, you can't have too many bucks and we're a long way from having a balanced buck to doe ratio.
The population situation needs to be addressed on a local basis



There’s a lot of bowhunters in south Montgomery Co……Some big “bow hunting only” clubs right in the heart of it.



Ron is right.

And if a private group wants to have a bow only club then more power - and FREEDOM, to them.

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Now, if there are areas in Alabama with low deer numbers like north Alabama then hunters in those areas need to stop killing does. For those places perhaps the DCNR should restrict doe harvest. But these idiotic comments like CNC and others make are…. ….just…….plain…..stupid. And old. Very old.

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Re: 1.5 million my a$$ [Re: wk2hnt] #3608747
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Having hunters that do not shoot every thing matters. Big clubs that control a lot of land with the same mind matters. What does not matter is what they choose to kill with.

Re: 1.5 million my a$$ [Re: wk2hnt] #3608976
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Guys I’m sorry I can’t paste my idea on this thread but I did post it on the spin off thread on Saturday morning. Maybe one of you guys can post it on this thread for me. It’s # was 3604627 if that helps.

Re: 1.5 million my a$$ [Re: wk2hnt] #3608991
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Originally Posted by wk2hnt
Guys I’m sorry I can’t paste my idea on this thread but I did post it on the spin off thread on Saturday morning. Maybe one of you guys can post it on this thread for me. It’s # was 3604627 if that helps.


Originally Posted by wk2hnt
Well here goes, First pop out of the box I think there must be enforceable laws against game violations as in set fines that are non negotiable like get caught poaching or night hunting or with unchecked deer 1000.00 fine automatic first offense 2nd offense no hunting for 3 years. Second must establish zone across the state. Thirdly, and this is for northeast Alabama, but total hunting days should be the same for each zone, bow season starts October 25 until January 31 1 buck 1 doe. Gun season starts Saturday before thanksgiving and goes out Sunday after thanksgiving. No guns until December 15th and runs til January 31st 3 bucks 1 doe but doe must be killed during first rifle season and all bucks must be over 150 pounds. No youth days they can hunt like everyone else. Muzzleloader is during regular rifle. Try this for a couple of years and see what happens.


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Re: 1.5 million my a$$ [Re: wk2hnt] #3609016
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Re: 1.5 million my a$$ [Re: wk2hnt] #3609049
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Thanks you Swamp. Where do you hunt?

Re: 1.5 million my a$$ [Re: wk2hnt] #3609323
02/11/22 09:56 AM
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There’s at least 3-4x more deer in the places I hunt in Winston, Marion and Franklin than there was in the 90s.

We killed 12 doe off one 600 acre tract this season and would still see 16 in a sit at the end of the season. One am hunted I saw 27 deer and all unantlered except for a spike. There was 2-doe a day limit for several years in this area and it clearly didn’t hurt the doe population.

In the 90s if you saw more than 1 doe in this area it was a miracle.

My point is, not all areas of AL have less deer now than the 80s or 90s. Some areas have WAY more.

The population seems relatively unchanged since the 90s in a spot I hunt in Pickens.


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