Are you going to give us a good reason why this young man is not allowed to kill any more bucks, or will you just interupt as usual without adding anything of value to the thread?

1 -Where did this notion of restricting the killing of bucks come from?

2- Why is it needed in the case I just presented.

Scenario 1

A father takes his son on his first turkey hunt, calls up and kills a longbeard, the next 3 days go the same way, the young man has 3 longbeards on the ground in 3 days.

So Dad sends him on is own the next day, boom #4 on the ground.

They skip a few days to cool the boys jets, go again, boom # 5 on the ground season over.

(from your scenario 49er the boy quits turkey. my bet is the boy can't wait til next year)

Sceanario 2

Grandpa takes his grandson and his old bird dog out on the last day, they manage to flush 3 coveys. The boy ask grandpa can we go again tomorrow, no today is the last day of the season.

so does the boy quit quail hunting too?

why is there seasons

why are there bag limits


things that make Ya go hmmmmmmmm

cartervj,


That's what I figured you would do.

Here's a couple of statements from the 2010-2011 WMA Annual Report:



(emphasis added)

Where did the idea for buck restrictions on our WMAs originate?

Why do we need them?

Why can't we just let anyone kill as many bucks as they please.... Why do we have to have restrictions.... Why do landowners set rules that people have to follow...

goobler,

The more reasonable question is:

If our WMAs are not seeing the hunting pressure they are capable of handling, why did you and your little group feel a need to restrict hunting on them?

You say it's not for qdm. So what is the purpose, and where did the idea originate?

I will support you on maybe a 2 buck limit on WMA's that may coincide with a 3 buck limit on private land, kinda like TN used to or still does.

Where did restrictions come from for other animal species, turkeys is our only other big game species in the State.

You act as if choice is a bad thing

and what's this ignore thingy you posted,
I've never had anyone on my list to ignore post

Looks like the original question remains since there are no other logical explanations for these unfavorable conditions that have been discussed:

Is Quality Deer Management Ruining Hunting?

I believe it is.

Not to me it's not!

Me neither - anyone else want a vote?

A few things that I couldn't help but notice are the following:

1. This guy hunts OTHER people's property (probably invited at no cost to him, but irrelevant either way)
2. This guy hunts pay hunt operations that depend on holding/ maintaining quality deer to earn a living.
3. This guy expects quick results, if his stories are any indication (refer back to his comments about not seeing enough bucks where there was a 135 min.)
4. This guy has an agenda
5. HIs story about the kid seemed a fabricated to me, after expressing his obvious dislike for age and size requirements.
6. It's interesting that he mentions that he has graduated to a hunter that only kills mature bucks now, one reason being b/c the area he hunts has gotten so good. Gee, wander how it got that good???

Whether you are a fan of trophy management (which he is describing, not QDM) or not, surely you would have enough sense to not bash a landowner's rules after hunting his property just b/c the dice didn't role your way. Would this guy be complaining if both hunts had resulted in him taking a 160"? If he knows anything about hunting, why would he state that if the minimum is 135 that you should see numerous bucks right under 135...that's preposterous. There are places that have numerous 160's but if it's the wrong week or the wrong weather you might not see anything but a few 2 year olds...

I'm surprised this guy's garbage gets published. Unbelievable! And for the record I would never knock a kid's buck or an adults 1st buck, or even 2nd, 3rd or 10th for that matter. But at the same time we have rules on my family's place and if you don't like them don't come and hunt. And by all means don't come hunt and then complain about my rules later...

QDMA has been a very beneficial aspect to deer hunting, hunters are actually creating habitat that once they could care less about.

This in turn is great for small game, turkeys and many non game species, so how can it be bad except 49er can't legally kill 4 bucks a season? In the grand scheme of things, I'm ok with that.

Did you read the same article I did? The first hunt doesn't describe a mistake at all. He shot a 125 to get a kill shot for his show, even though the minimum was 135. I read the rest of the article, but lost all respect for Shoby after his first story.

I know 49er will not read this but tell him he's barking up the wrong tree, again. It would be TDM'ers that are opposed to shooting young bucks, regardless of age of hunter or how long the hunter has been hunting, generally speaking. Also you can tell him that he needs to go back and read the Peterson article cause the article he started the thread with and his made up scenario are apples and oranges.

Got 160s.

LOL, am I still on the thread 49er posted about how antler and age restrictions on private property and pay hunt operations are bad or did I some how click on a new thread about a young hunter not being able to kill a young buck with a bow on public land, oh...wait... now it seems it's a new thread about limiting the number of bucks one can kill. I'm a little confused

49er, confusion, yep you're at the right place.

So which word or words would you take out of "Quality Deer Management" to suit your goals as a deer hunter? Quality-means "good", "favorable", "not bad", etc. Management comes from the word "manage" which means achieve, accomplish, succeed, etc. When you put the quality in front of manage, most reasonable people would consider that to be positive. QDM can mean different things to different people, depending on where they hunt and their goals, so the broad brush you choose to use that QDM means TDM and restricts a hunter to the point of wanting to quit is complete non sense.