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Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Andalusia] #3615758
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So Kamala goes over there to smooth things out and the next day Russia invades? Man her and Biden screw up everything they touch

Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Andalusia] #3615770
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My concern regards what I heard from General Keane yesterday. If Putin goes in, NATO levels crushing sanctions, and Putin counterattacks with cyberattacks. This will disrupt our country in a severe way since our electrical grid is little better or secure than most 3rd world countries. Of course we would respond to such cyberattacks. General Keane said we have "eye-watering offense cyber capability" that would crush Russia. Of course, all this pushes Putin right into Xi's arms and now we're screwed.

I'm hopeful these events won't happen.

Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Ramblin99] #3615791
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Originally Posted by Ramblin99
My concern regards what I heard from General Keane yesterday. If Putin goes in, NATO levels crushing sanctions, and Putin counterattacks with cyberattacks. This will disrupt our country in a severe way since our electrical grid is little better or secure than most 3rd world countries. Of course we would respond to such cyberattacks. General Keane said we have "eye-watering offense cyber capability" that would crush Russia. Of course, all this pushes Putin right into Xi's arms and now we're screwed.

I'm hopeful these events won't happen.


I agree Xi is the one to worry about


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Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Irishguy] #3616755
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Originally Posted by Irishguy
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[quote=Skinny]And will not be over until Putin is either dead or completely out of power.


Be careful what you wish for. At least he appears to be somewhat stable, rational, intelligent and calculating. Which is more than anyone can say for our president.


To say that the world is better with Putin is identical to saying the world was better with Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin.


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Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Hammertime7v2] #3616758
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Originally Posted by Hammertime7v2
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Originally Posted by WmHunter
[quote=Skinny]And will not be over until Putin is either dead or completely out of power.


Be careful what you wish for. At least he appears to be somewhat stable, rational, intelligent and calculating. Which is more than anyone can say for our president.


He is very intelligent, and savvy.


And a master manipulator, at the expense of his own people.


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Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Andalusia] #3616760
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I think his point was not that Putin is a great guy but more so that our current President is nothing more that a dottering old fool with late stage dementia.

Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Andalusia] #3616767
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I think the day is coming where there is going to be some "skirmishes" for lack of a better word, between the USA and other countries. Like Russia or China.

Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Andalusia] #3616784
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Not even a snowballs chance of that.


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Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: WmHunter] #3616785
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Originally Posted by WmHunter
Originally Posted by Irishguy
Originally Posted by WmHunter
[quote=Skinny]And will not be over until Putin is either dead or completely out of power.


Be careful what you wish for. At least he appears to be somewhat stable, rational, intelligent and calculating. Which is more than anyone can say for our president.


To say that the world is better with Putin is identical to saying the world was better with Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin.


I didn't imply it was better, I implied it could be worse. Hitler got us all into a World War. So far Putin hasn't. That's a huge difference.

Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Lockjaw] #3616786
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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
I think the day is coming where there is going to be some "skirmishes" for lack of a better word, between the USA and other countries. Like Russia or China.


Kind of like we had in the 50's, 60's and 70's?

Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Andalusia] #3616789
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Skirmishes keep the military industrial complex going without total WWII style destruction.


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Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Andalusia] #3616790
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You can see my comments about this Hitler garbage in the other thread.... that's just such a crock of BS. There is absolutely ZERO correlation Hilter 1939 and Ukraine 2022.

ZERO.

That's just beyond ignorant to keep hollering about Hitler, Hilter, Hilter! What a bunch of garbage sounds just like a politician... if their lips are moving they are lying.

Hitler invaded Poland and we could have stopped him then? We (U.S.) messed it up and could have prevented WWII ! Huh? What? Who is stupid enough to engage with that at face value... Brought to you by the same dam people who claimed Trump was a Russian Agent.


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Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Irishguy] #3616810
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Originally Posted by Irishguy
Originally Posted by WmHunter
Originally Posted by Irishguy
Originally Posted by WmHunter
[quote=Skinny]And will not be over until Putin is either dead or completely out of power.

Be careful what you wish for. At least he appears to be somewhat stable, rational, intelligent and calculating. Which is more than anyone can say for our president.


To say that the world is better with Putin is identical to saying the world was better with Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin.


I didn't imply it was better, I implied it could be worse. Hitler got us all into a World War. So far Putin hasn't. That's a huge difference.


I understood but it was a misplaced thing to say.
And your last statement is even worse — it is only because of Fascist Putin that the present world crisis exists. And fyi, he has been brandishing and threatening nuclear weapons since the very early 2000s.

Hitler and the Nazis were also strong with high IQs like Putin.


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Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Goatkiller] #3616811
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
You can see my comments about this Hitler garbage in the other thread.... that's just such a crock of BS. There is absolutely ZERO correlation Hilter 1939 and Ukraine 2022.

ZERO..


Actually the analogy is literally 100% the same between Hitler and Putin.
Scholars across the political spectrum and around the world have been pointing this out for a long time.

Did you bother to read Putin’s version of Mein Kampf??

Fyi, Putin officially recognized the DPR and LPR today and will be openly sending in Russian soldiers into those parts of Ukraine. Operation Sudetenland 2.0


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Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Andalusia] #3616835
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It's just like being so hyper focused about transgender bathrooms.... that you support the entire Democrat Party's agenda despite not agreeing with another single issue. Not one. There are plenty of those people around. This is the proverbial forest vs the trees.

Just just can't get past that they both invaded a neighbor? Or how exactly are the 2 things related? Specifically Hitler's 1939 invasion of Poland and Putin's 2022 alleged invasion of Ukraine? Please explain in detail what the World wide political environment was like in both eras and how they are anywhere remotely similar today. Also, please explain to everyone in detail if you don't mind exactly how the United States was supposed to stop Hitler in Poland in 1939 when we "screwed up and didn't attack him"?

I assume in the mind's eye exactly in the same manner we are going to roll into Eastern Europe and deal with Putin in 2022?

It's crazy. We can respectfully agree to disagree and you can call me whatever you want but this BS about we are going to do something other than sanctions... that is crazy as hell.

What is going on in Ukraine is not our problem unless we make it our problem. I think the Democrats and Rhinos want a distraction right now and this is their chance to turn the news off an attempted Coup in our own country and issues with China. They want to dredge the old Russia = Boogey Man out of the skeleton closet and dust it off and see if they can't continue to sell our asses out for another decade or two.


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Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: Andalusia] #3616838
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Just read Russian peace keepers are sent into Ukraine and they say they have annexed part of the country


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Re: Sounds like artillery has started in Ukraine! [Re: WmHunter] #3616940
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Originally Posted by WmHunter
Originally Posted by Irishguy


I didn't imply it was better, I implied it could be worse. Hitler got us all into a World War. So far Putin hasn't. That's a huge difference.


I understood but it was a misplaced thing to say.
And your last statement is even worse — it is only because of Fascist Putin that the present world crisis exists. And fyi, he has been brandishing and threatening nuclear weapons since the very early 2000s.

Hitler and the Nazis were also strong with high IQs like Putin.


I haven't misplaced anything I have said. I meant every word of it. I'm giving my opinion and so are you. It seems like you are promoting World War III over Ukraine by making comparisons between Putin and Hitler. And people like me are saying it's an ill conceived analogy. Hitler was a madman. Putin is not. He has thought all this out 6 ways to Sunday. You are not going to convince me that we need to start a World War over Ukraine.

Russia has been attacked many times in history. Russia has no natural geological obstacles to deter an invasion, therefore they have always sought buffer states. After the fall of the Soviet Union they lost all of their buffer states. NATO has since gobbled most of them up. If the shoe was on the other foot Americans wouldn't like to be in that position either.

I'm not saying in any way that what Putin is doing is right, but once you understand the history, what he, as a Russian patriot, is trying to do is logical in his mind

Click for the Times Russia has Been Invaded...

Enough of our youth have died in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan and what the hell do we have to show for it? Not a damn thing except a bunch of our dead sons and daughters.

Carry on with your crusade... smile

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Originally Posted by Skinny
And will not be over until Putin is either dead or completely out of power.



He's too far in now, he won't be able to "retire" or be deposed peacefully. He runs his show completely off of fear. There's only one way out now, just like the mafia.

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WmHunter, I've got a question and I ain't trying to stir no chit. Are you Ukrainian or of Ukrainian decent? I simply ask because you have fought tooth and nail to defend the Ukraine here and are 1000% against Russia in everything said. I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from, that is all.

As for me, we ain't the world's police and our men and women don't need to be dying over there. Let Nato and their European neighbors help defend them. I completely understand a nation's sovereignty and all but it ain't our war to fight. The only interest our .gov has in Ukraine is money laundering and American men and women dying to fund the war machine. To hell with that, we've been doing that and making people rich since June 27th 1950.

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