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Where is Russian Air Dominance?
#3630166
03/12/22 09:59 AM
03/12/22 09:59 AM
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Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 23,158 Lickskillet, AL
Irishguy
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a.k.a. Dingle Johnson
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My buddies and I were sitting around the fire last night discussing this same subject and wondering why such a seemingly formidable air force has not just completely dominated Ukraine. I came across this article this morning. Click for Article...From the article... The Pentagon says some Russian jets are avoiding Ukrainian airspace, apparently to avoid being shot done by Ukraine's air defense systems.
During a background briefing with reporters, a senior US defense official said the Pentagon assesses that Russia is flying about 200 sorties every day but some never enter Ukraine's air space. Instead, the Russians are able to fire aerial-mounted cruise missiles at Ukraine from planes on the Russian side of the border.
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: Irishguy]
#3630173
03/12/22 10:05 AM
03/12/22 10:05 AM
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Posts: 11,621 northport
deadeye48
Booner
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I’m certain the technology on the stinger missile system has greatly improved since the 80’s and it devastated the Russians back then
When I need expert advice I tend to talk to myself The older I get the better I used to be
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: Irishguy]
#3630176
03/12/22 10:11 AM
03/12/22 10:11 AM
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Posts: 27,449 Fayetteville TN Via Selma
jawbone
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That is like the Russian flying out of range while wagging their fingers at the Ukrainian's going Na na na na na.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: Irishguy]
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03/12/22 10:23 AM
03/12/22 10:23 AM
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Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 72,710 Luverne, AL
Skinny
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Russian stealth tech may not be as good as advertised.
"Never Trust Government" -- Smart people. "The Great thing we should Fear and the Weird Thing we Trust is Elon Musk" -- Me "You can be broke but you cant be poor." -- Ruthie-May Webster
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: Irishguy]
#3630197
03/12/22 10:45 AM
03/12/22 10:45 AM
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Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 4,164 Huntsville, Al
Bronco 74
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Me think ole Pussytin might have fucked with the wrong country.
"We have an opponent in this state that we work every day, 365 days a year, to dominate."
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: Irishguy]
#3630201
03/12/22 10:53 AM
03/12/22 10:53 AM
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Posts: 6,265 Somewhere in the Milkyway
coldtrail
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But they had nothing to take out a 40 mile convoy. Doesn't all add up.
"And the days that I keep my gratitude Higher than my expectations Well, I have really good days" Ray Wylie Hubbard
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: Irishguy]
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03/12/22 11:22 AM
03/12/22 11:22 AM
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Posts: 2,412 By the River
antlerhunter
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Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show.
You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go.... (Seuss)
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: antlerhunter]
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03/12/22 11:33 AM
03/12/22 11:33 AM
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Posts: 22,236 colbert county
cartervj
Freak of Nature
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Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: antlerhunter]
#3630274
03/12/22 11:58 AM
03/12/22 11:58 AM
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Posts: 8,516 Moundville, Al
SuperSpike
The 46 Year Old Bowhunting Virgin
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Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show. Exactly
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: antlerhunter]
#3630279
03/12/22 12:09 PM
03/12/22 12:09 PM
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Posts: 2,699 Greene County, Ala
Happysappy
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Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show. I doubt this, Russia has militarily been in decline since the break up of the Soviet Union. This is proven by them getting bogged down in Ukraine, If they actually had the conventional military might Putin wants the world to believe, he would have showed the same type of “Shock and Awe” the US did in Iraq. (Makes no sense he would “toy” around and take the loses he is taking.) Truth is, the conventional military is out of date, not modernized, underfunded, and unmotivated. If is wasn't for their nuclear arsenal, The western world would have jumped in and wiped the floor with that military. Even with that, Ukraine wont be able to hold on forever. They will eventually fall. However, even after that take over, the Russians will still have their hands full. The estimated damaged to date is in the billions to trillions. Russia does not have the economy to rebuild to this level. (Especially if these sanctions continue) Not rebuilding will lead to more unrest, Putin has basically bit off more than he can chew long term.
If at first you dont succeed, You may not want to try parachuting
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: cartervj]
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03/12/22 12:18 PM
03/12/22 12:18 PM
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Posts: 17,335 Madison
BowtechDan
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Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show.
Nathan Carl Goff 19 Sept 2016 - 14 Jan 2017.
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: fi8shmasty]
#3630284
03/12/22 12:19 PM
03/12/22 12:19 PM
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Posts: 2,699 Greene County, Ala
Happysappy
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Yes, they are we don't need another $hit show. But if can get fd up Biden will do it. SMH. Truer words have never been said!!!
If at first you dont succeed, You may not want to try parachuting
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: Irishguy]
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03/12/22 12:44 PM
03/12/22 12:44 PM
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Posts: 11,621 northport
deadeye48
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A couple things are pretty clear about all this 1 We don’t really know what’s going on except things aren’t adding up 2 All the money that our president/family and politicians/family have made stolen laundered in Ukraine won’t be happening there long as Russia is there but it does seem they’ve found a way around that with this new spending bill
When I need expert advice I tend to talk to myself The older I get the better I used to be
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: Happysappy]
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03/12/22 01:26 PM
03/12/22 01:26 PM
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Posts: 26,346 Prattville, Alabama
Skullworks
Freak of Nature
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Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show. I doubt this, Russia has militarily been in decline since the break up of the Soviet Union. This is proven by them getting bogged down in Ukraine, If they actually had the conventional military might Putin wants the world to believe, he would have showed the same type of “Shock and Awe” the US did in Iraq. (Makes no sense he would “toy” around and take the loses he is taking.) Truth is, the conventional military is out of date, not modernized, underfunded, and unmotivated. If is wasn't for their nuclear arsenal, The western world would have jumped in and wiped the floor with that military. Even with that, Ukraine wont be able to hold on forever. They will eventually fall. However, even after that take over, the Russians will still have their hands full. The estimated damaged to date is in the billions to trillions. Russia does not have the economy to rebuild to this level. (Especially if these sanctions continue) Not rebuilding will lead to more unrest, Putin has basically bit off more than he can chew long term. Good assessment. Several risk assessment guys say that the Russian analysts always paint a pretty picture with Russia always winning because they are afraid to tell the truth and deal with the repercussions from those in charge.
"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer." Jimmy G.
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: Irishguy]
#3630353
03/12/22 02:08 PM
03/12/22 02:08 PM
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Posts: 72,710 Luverne, AL
Skinny
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Russia could level all of the cities there in a day if they wanted to but they are holding back for a reason and that reason (whatever it really is) is why no other countries are intervening.
"Never Trust Government" -- Smart people. "The Great thing we should Fear and the Weird Thing we Trust is Elon Musk" -- Me "You can be broke but you cant be poor." -- Ruthie-May Webster
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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance?
[Re: Happysappy]
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03/12/22 02:09 PM
03/12/22 02:09 PM
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Posts: 3,573 Sumter County
sumpter_al
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Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show. I doubt this, Russia has militarily been in decline since the break up of the Soviet Union. This is proven by them getting bogged down in Ukraine, If they actually had the conventional military might Putin wants the world to believe, he would have showed the same type of “Shock and Awe” the US did in Iraq. (Makes no sense he would “toy” around and take the loses he is taking.) Truth is, the conventional military is out of date, not modernized, underfunded, and unmotivated. If is wasn't for their nuclear arsenal, The western world would have jumped in and wiped the floor with that military. Even with that, Ukraine wont be able to hold on forever. They will eventually fall. However, even after that take over, the Russians will still have their hands full. The estimated damaged to date is in the billions to trillions. Russia does not have the economy to rebuild to this level. (Especially if these sanctions continue) Not rebuilding will lead to more unrest, Putin has basically bit off more than he can chew long term. With regard to their nuclear weapons... if they have been maintained as poorly as their conventional forces many of the rockets wouldnt leave the silos and those that did would probably not hit their intended targets (that is scarier than them hitting what they are shooting at).
I love my country, but don't trust my government.
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