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Where is Russian Air Dominance? #3630166
03/12/22 09:59 AM
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Irishguy Offline OP
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My buddies and I were sitting around the fire last night discussing this same subject and wondering why such a seemingly formidable air force has not just completely dominated Ukraine. I came across this article this morning.

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From the article...

The Pentagon says some Russian jets are avoiding Ukrainian airspace, apparently to avoid being shot done by Ukraine's air defense systems.

During a background briefing with reporters, a senior US defense official said the Pentagon assesses that Russia is flying about 200 sorties every day but some never enter Ukraine's air space. Instead, the Russians are able to fire aerial-mounted cruise missiles at Ukraine from planes on the Russian side of the border.

Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: Irishguy] #3630168
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I guess I never realized that Stinger missiles were that effective, but apparently they are.

Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: Irishguy] #3630173
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I’m certain the technology on the stinger missile system has greatly improved since the 80’s and it devastated the Russians back then


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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: Irishguy] #3630176
03/12/22 10:11 AM
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That is like the Russian flying out of range while wagging their fingers at the Ukrainian's going Na na na na na.


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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: Irishguy] #3630185
03/12/22 10:23 AM
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Russian stealth tech may not be as good as advertised.


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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: Irishguy] #3630197
03/12/22 10:45 AM
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Me think ole Pussytin might have fucked with the wrong country.


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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: Irishguy] #3630201
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But they had nothing to take out a 40 mile convoy. Doesn't all add up.


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Higher than my expectations
Well, I have really good days" Ray Wylie Hubbard
Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: Irishguy] #3630223
03/12/22 11:14 AM
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Is it just me, or does this whole thing seem like its a half butt attempt?

Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: Irishguy] #3630235
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Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show.


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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: antlerhunter] #3630246
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Originally Posted by antlerhunter
Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show.



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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: Irishguy] #3630256
03/12/22 11:46 AM
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Well Trump approved the sale of the stingers and javelins in 2019. When he was on the the Full Send podcast and Hannity he was raving and repeatedly saying how he got them the missiles. I think this all has something to do with covid and Putin feels like he’s backed into a corner. They know way more than they are telling us.

Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: antlerhunter] #3630274
03/12/22 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by antlerhunter
Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show.

Exactly

Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: antlerhunter] #3630279
03/12/22 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by antlerhunter
Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show.



I doubt this, Russia has militarily been in decline since the break up of the Soviet Union. This is proven by them getting bogged down in Ukraine, If they actually had the conventional military might Putin wants the world to believe, he would have showed the same type of “Shock and Awe” the US did in Iraq. (Makes no sense he would “toy” around and take the loses he is taking.) Truth is, the conventional military is out of date, not modernized, underfunded, and unmotivated. If is wasn't for their nuclear arsenal, The western world would have jumped in and wiped the floor with that military. Even with that, Ukraine wont be able to hold on forever. They will eventually fall. However, even after that take over, the Russians will still have their hands full. The estimated damaged to date is in the billions to trillions. Russia does not have the economy to rebuild to this level. (Especially if these sanctions continue) Not rebuilding will lead to more unrest, Putin has basically bit off more than he can chew long term.


If at first you dont succeed, You may not want to try parachuting
Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: antlerhunter] #3630282
03/12/22 12:15 PM
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Yes, they are we don't need another $hit show.
But if can get fd up Biden will do it. SMH.

Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: cartervj] #3630283
03/12/22 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by antlerhunter
Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show.




Nathan Carl Goff 19 Sept 2016 - 14 Jan 2017.
Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: fi8shmasty] #3630284
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Originally Posted by fi8shmasty
Yes, they are we don't need another $hit show.
But if can get fd up Biden will do it. SMH.



Truer words have never been said!!!


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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: Irishguy] #3630302
03/12/22 12:44 PM
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A couple things are pretty clear about all this
1 We don’t really know what’s going on except things aren’t adding up
2 All the money that our president/family and politicians/family have made stolen laundered in Ukraine won’t be happening there long as Russia is there but it does seem they’ve found a way around that with this new spending bill


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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: Happysappy] #3630328
03/12/22 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Happysappy
Originally Posted by antlerhunter
Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show.



I doubt this, Russia has militarily been in decline since the break up of the Soviet Union. This is proven by them getting bogged down in Ukraine, If they actually had the conventional military might Putin wants the world to believe, he would have showed the same type of “Shock and Awe” the US did in Iraq. (Makes no sense he would “toy” around and take the loses he is taking.) Truth is, the conventional military is out of date, not modernized, underfunded, and unmotivated. If is wasn't for their nuclear arsenal, The western world would have jumped in and wiped the floor with that military. Even with that, Ukraine wont be able to hold on forever. They will eventually fall. However, even after that take over, the Russians will still have their hands full. The estimated damaged to date is in the billions to trillions. Russia does not have the economy to rebuild to this level. (Especially if these sanctions continue) Not rebuilding will lead to more unrest, Putin has basically bit off more than he can chew long term.


Good assessment. Several risk assessment guys say that the Russian analysts always paint a pretty picture with Russia always winning because they are afraid to tell the truth and deal with the repercussions from those in charge.


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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: Irishguy] #3630353
03/12/22 02:08 PM
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Russia could level all of the cities there in a day if they wanted to but they are holding back for a reason and that reason (whatever it really is) is why no other countries are intervening.


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Re: Where is Russian Air Dominance? [Re: Happysappy] #3630354
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Originally Posted by Happysappy
Originally Posted by antlerhunter
Trying to draw the US in, the whole plan from the start. Protecting their critical assets for the big show.



I doubt this, Russia has militarily been in decline since the break up of the Soviet Union. This is proven by them getting bogged down in Ukraine, If they actually had the conventional military might Putin wants the world to believe, he would have showed the same type of “Shock and Awe” the US did in Iraq. (Makes no sense he would “toy” around and take the loses he is taking.) Truth is, the conventional military is out of date, not modernized, underfunded, and unmotivated. If is wasn't for their nuclear arsenal, The western world would have jumped in and wiped the floor with that military. Even with that, Ukraine wont be able to hold on forever. They will eventually fall. However, even after that take over, the Russians will still have their hands full. The estimated damaged to date is in the billions to trillions. Russia does not have the economy to rebuild to this level. (Especially if these sanctions continue) Not rebuilding will lead to more unrest, Putin has basically bit off more than he can chew long term.



With regard to their nuclear weapons... if they have been maintained as poorly as their conventional forces many of the rockets wouldnt leave the silos and those that did would probably not hit their intended targets (that is scarier than them hitting what they are shooting at).


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