Originally Posted by CNC
what the map IS showing pretty accurately is simply the total numbers of gobblers coming out of each county whether 25 hunters killed them or 100……What you don't indicate is that the numbers you use simply are NOT all the gobblers coming out of a county - it is only a portion, maybe 50%? Also there is no allowance for varying compliance per county. Guaranteed some counties (especially those with few gobblers killed) are less compliant than others ……My question is this……If you say these counties in red and grey arent having a turkey issue, then who is???.....Because many of these other counties in yellow and especially green have nearly twice as many gobblers being killed and reported to game check...in some cases more than double of the red ones. Say what you want to about it but someone called those birds in as being killed in Coosa Co….. and Jackson Co…..and Cherokee Co……and Henry Co…..and Dale…..and Franklin Co….and Calhoun Co……etc etc……So where is the turkey issue occurring then if its not in the red/grey counties that arent reporting as many gobblers killed??..... If you say the reason those red and grey counties arent reporting as many is because hunter density is just low and they have a bunch of left over gobblers that arent being killed, then why is the bag limit being reduced? Who is this for? Is it for the green counties that are killing the most birds?? Help me understand who these changes are for.

I can certainly NOT explain what these changes are for nor how they are supposed to help since I don't think they will make any difference to the turkey population and I have clearly opposed them. What problems we may have with declining turkeys are possibly natural fluctuations, probably associated with timber harvest and habitat changes and somewhat local. I can tell you that the places I work on don't have a turkey population decline but they practice good management (and LOTS of burning)

Also, I’ve been reading the study you posted in the other thread……If the idea that moving the opening of the season back were the solution, then wouldn’t we see the southern third of the state thriving the most right now in comparison to everyone else since their breeding starts the earliest of anyone???…….yet many of those counties are reporting the fewest amount of birds being killed per acre……How does that make sense?.....I'm sure you'll just say "The map doesnt mean anything!!!!".......Ok.....Righhhhht.


Yes, your map still doesn't mean anything BUT you can simply look at GA who has traditionally had a later start date and lower limits but is still, apparently, seeing a decline and also indicate fewer turkeys than Alabama. This is why delaying start dates, shortening the season and lowering the limits will have no effect.

Last edited by gobbler; 03/15/22 12:30 PM.

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