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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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06/10/22 10:53 AM
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I’m going to be harsh on this because I lived that life. If you think travel ball is going to get your kid more exposure you are wrong. There’s two types of players schools look for. There are those with potential and those that produce. Unless your kid is 6’3” to 6”4”, the big schools don’t see the potential. If your kid isn’t throwing 93 to 94 mph and launching 450 ft bombs he’s not performance. Some of the best ball players I ever played with were neither of those and didn’t get the first look from the big schools. The mediocre kids that were big built got the offers even though they weren’t that good. Your kid is just playing to play. That all changes in college when it becomes a full time job with little playing time. The “fun” is sucked out of it. If your kid can play, people will come to watch him play for his high school. I see so many parents devote hours and money like it’s all or nothing only for their kid to drop it all because it’s not what they thought it would be. It’s your time and money, so do as you please, but your kid only has so many throws and so much physical activity he or she can take before they wear down. If you want to waste that where it doesn’t matter be my guest. Not worried about exposure he has no desire to play past high school he’s going to learn a trade not go to college.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: Turkey_neck]
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06/10/22 10:54 AM
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Big Game Hunter
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The last year my son played baseball he was 13 years old. That year he was on 3 teams. I had a travel team but we didn't play every weekend (I was head coach), he played full time on another team (I was an assistant coach) and he played pick up for 2-3 other travel teams when he wasn't playing on one of the other teams.
When he came to me and said he was done with baseball it was the happiest/saddest day of my life.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: Turkey_neck]
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06/10/22 07:16 PM
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My son played from 4 years old to 20. From rec ball to travel ball to school ball to JUCO. He loved every minute of it. The only reason he gave it up was because the Lord called him into the ministry and he switched colleges. Toughest decision he ever made. Some kids love it, some kids don’t. When he was little he would get home from practice or a game and turn the back yard lights on and hit off the tee or throw into a net till we made him come inside. He just didn’t have enough talent to go with the heart lol. But most of the guys in here are right, it ain’t for everyone. You don’t have to do it. If a kid wants to play college ball and he is good enough he will get noticed at a showcase or something. But don’t expect any scholarship money outside of JUCO. That’s a tough row to hoe.
Competitive sports taught my son and daughter a lot about hard work, listening to authority, working as a team, holding yourself accountable. It’s not all bad. It’s like most things, it is what you make it.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: Turkey_neck]
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06/10/22 08:00 PM
06/10/22 08:00 PM
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I didn’t play what everyone thinks of as modern travel ball until I was a junior in high school still got a Div. 1 scholarship. If your good they will find you. IMO pointless to play until your in high school.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: jlbuc10]
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06/10/22 08:08 PM
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I didn’t play what everyone thinks of as modern travel ball until I was a junior in high school still got a Div. 1 scholarship. If your good they will find you. IMO pointless to play until your in high school. Same here
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: Turkey_neck]
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06/10/22 09:07 PM
06/10/22 09:07 PM
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Our son is playing rec ball this year for the first time. I'm blown away by the commitment so far. 2-3 practices and 2 games a week. I feel like I've done him wrong by keeping him away from the game until now, but he's doing pretty well actually. It is also unlocking a love for the game I've forgotten I had. It is my understanding that attending camps at the older ages is the thing to do if there is potential. I think I'll stay away from travel ball, as it seems to be more about the parents. I hope I don't fall into that trap.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: Turkey_neck]
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06/10/22 09:38 PM
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lot of unsubstantiated comments in this thread. wld be interesting to compare commenters and the comments with those who actually have kids/players that could be playing higher level travel ball. an easy button is if ain’t for you or your player then don’t play but don’t bring the dubious rhetoric to the conversation.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: XVIII]
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06/10/22 10:12 PM
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lot of unsubstantiated comments in this thread. wld be interesting to compare commenters and the comments with those who actually have kids/players that could be playing higher level travel ball. an easy button is if ain’t for you or your player then don’t play but don’t bring the dubious rhetoric to the conversation.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: Turkey_neck]
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06/10/22 10:47 PM
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This has been an interesting thread. I’m glad to see some push back on the whole travel ball lunacy. I got blasted into oblivion some years back on this very forum for daring to say folks should really consider reining it in a bit. Unfortunately it’s only grown worse. Families are WAY to obsessed with Little Johnny’s and Jane’s ball “career”. I was stupid enough to get sucked in nearly 20 years ago now and it was nothing compared to now.
If you and your family are ball field junkies and nothing else matters, including Church, fine, have fun but please loose the illusion that it’s going to catapult your child into a college scholarship. It’s not. Especially if we’re talking about kids pre-high school age. That list posted above should’ve started with travel ball kids at the top with an easy million kids playing now yet only only less than 20% even making it to be a senior on their high school team.
As mentioned above, my daughter also started playing travel ball when only the top few kids from each county came together and formed a team and still half of them never played through high school. My kid had a spot on the 16u Bama Gold team which all but assured her of at least a few scholarship offers and she walked away. Tore this ole boy up at the time but reflecting back I seen it as a grind that wore her down. Luckily, she stuck it out with school ball but really only to not let her friends down. But after that she was done. If I had it to do all over again we’d have never seen a travel ball tourney till she was at least 14 and as a parent I should have seen it before it was too late. My time and money would have been much better spent on weekly hitting/pitching classes and maybe spearheading an effort for a local rec type league that played through the week all summer and kept things lighter yet still competitive, and quite honestly that would’ve given some opportunities to those who have a desire to play but don’t have the means for the travel ball life. I look back and see several that could/would have helped and I was in a position to affect that and I didn’t. I deeply regret that.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: cullmanbamafan]
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06/10/22 11:01 PM
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This has been an interesting thread. I’m glad to see some push back on the whole travel ball lunacy. I got blasted into oblivion some years back on this very forum for daring to say folks should really consider reining it in a bit. Unfortunately it’s only grown worse. Families are WAY to obsessed with Little Johnny’s and Jane’s ball “career”. I was stupid enough to get sucked in nearly 20 years ago now and it was nothing compared to now.
If you and your family are ball field junkies and nothing else matters, including Church, fine, have fun but please loose the illusion that it’s going to catapult your child into a college scholarship. It’s not. Especially if we’re talking about kids pre-high school age. That list posted above should’ve started with travel ball kids at the top with an easy million kids playing now yet only only less than 20% even making it to be a senior on their high school team.
As mentioned above, my daughter also started playing travel ball when only the top few kids from each county came together and formed a team and still half of them never played through high school. My kid had a spot on the 16u Bama Gold team which all but assured her of at least a few scholarship offers and she walked away. Tore this ole boy up at the time but reflecting back I seen it as a grind that wore her down. Luckily, she stuck it out with school ball but really only to not let her friends down. But after that she was done. If I had it to do all over again we’d have never seen a travel ball tourney till she was at least 14 and as a parent I should have seen it before it was too late. My time and money would have been much better spent on weekly hitting/pitching classes and maybe spearheading an effort for a local rec type league that played through the week all summer and kept things lighter yet still competitive, and quite honestly that would’ve given some opportunities to those who have a desire to play but don’t have the means for the travel ball life. I look back and see several that could/would have helped and I was in a position to affect that and I didn’t. I deeply regret that.
so if i dont go to church then im a bad person or what ever you want to call it.. you do realize that you dont have to go to church to worship and be a Christian.
Turkey’s tell you when they want to die not lawmakers.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: JDR4Bama]
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06/10/22 11:59 PM
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Our son is playing rec ball this year for the first time. I'm blown away by the commitment so far. 2-3 practices and 2 games a week. I feel like I've done him wrong by keeping him away from the game until now, but he's doing pretty well actually. It is also unlocking a love for the game I've forgotten I had. It is my understanding that attending camps at the older ages is the thing to do if there is potential. I think I'll stay away from travel ball, as it seems to be more about the parents. I hope I don't fall into that trap. Camps help. But there isn’t an alternative to showcase ball during the high school years. My son graduated high school in 2016. Never saw a college coach at any of his school games. Never. And he did play 5 years in college. There’s a difference in showcase ball and travel ball.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: joshm28]
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06/11/22 12:04 AM
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Here’s my thought on it. Baseball and softball scholarships are rarely full rides. Investing the money you would spend playing travel ball on your kids education fund. Most would come out ahead and have the kids college paid for by graduation. There’s never a full ride for baseball. 11.4 scholarships to be split between all the recruits. Pitchers get the most percentage and then what’s left will trickle to position players. Now if you are a round 2 or better draft pick out of high school and choose to forgo the pros to go to college then you might get a full ride. Maybe. Other than that it will never happen.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: JustHunt]
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06/11/22 12:38 AM
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Here’s my thought on it. Baseball and softball scholarships are rarely full rides. Investing the money you would spend playing travel ball on your kids education fund. Most would come out ahead and have the kids college paid for by graduation. There’s never a full ride for baseball. 11.4 scholarships to be split between all the recruits. Pitchers get the most percentage and then what’s left will trickle to position players. Now if you are a round 2 or better draft pick out of high school and choose to forgo the pros to go to college then you might get a full ride. Maybe. Other than that it will never happen. True, but if you’re good enough they will find a way to pay for your school through various other scholarships or grants to supplement what baseball doesn’t pay for. I thought you fellas were talking about travel ball for college exposure. Until the kids have all hit puberty those tournaments are just for fun but there’s nothing wrong with that either. I will say those kids from the Dominican aren’t playing for fun, they are playing to get their families out of poverty.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: Turkey_neck]
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06/11/22 05:48 AM
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As one who endured the travel ball hardships, realistically, it’s value is for that small percentage of kids who have outstanding talent and size. My son was born a big strong left handed/ first baseman/ pitcher who was “ drafted” by an elite travel team, played in the elite invitation only tournaments and played smaller Div-1 college ball. He was a 6’5 90mph left handed, fast first baseman with power. At least 75% of his teammates played college ball, minority made D-1. Travel ball , as I described above, was a grind, very expensive but necessary if your kid has ability and desire to make it, there is no other really good showcase. In the most rare of circumstances if your kid is a pitcher and big and throws in the 90’s ( less if lefty) , with 2 good secondary pitches, you could go to a specific schools showcase and get noticed, but coaches still want to see your kid compete against good hitters. Sorry for the long post.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: Turkey_neck]
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06/11/22 08:17 AM
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The Mlb rosters tell the story of how "good" travel ball is playing at the highest level. Your 13 year old is NOT striking out Freddie Freeman nor is he going 3 for 4 against Gerit Cole. "Dave that's silly" As an umpire I've seen hundreds of parents with that fantasy. I'm all for parents organizing teams/tournaments having good time eating hot dogs camaraderie joy feel good moments family time great. If your child under 12 wants to that's great but your highschooler would already be on a scouts radar if the skill could be developed into a mlb player. The hard slider down 98 on the corner the 12-6 curve and batspeed maintain mlb being the best on the planet.
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Re: Question for the travel ball dads
[Re: Turkey_neck]
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06/11/22 08:53 AM
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So conversations I hear about scouts already looking at travel team kids is not true?
A friend had one of his sons make it to the minor leagues as a pitcher. He did pitch a few MLB games but ran out of time, age wise I guess. I know there several academy’s around here from teaching fundamentals on up and they’re covered up with business.
I think the backlash is that it has become very BIG business, like all things popular. It ends up ending itself.
11 years ago I was impressed being at a tournament and for the first time seeing the caliber of players that were well beyond what we were when I played.
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