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Re: Feeding Free range deer.
[Re: TDog93]
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06/16/22 03:21 PM
06/16/22 03:21 PM
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teamduckdown
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Think I got to go to a spinner at least on one of my leases - buffet style too expensive - prob want start till late sept in Clarke feeding
Hope those deer are already adjusted to the spinners
Turkeys be damned.
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Re: Feeding Free range deer.
[Re: fr8-shkr]
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06/16/22 08:57 PM
06/16/22 08:57 PM
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TDog93
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^^^ interesting Auburn17 - never heard that one
Yea - afraid of spooking deer teamduckdown - thinking about not converting till December - there will be a getting use to stage
I did not pull trigger on Clark lease last year and May hav few potential 130 on it - we will see. Should hav a stud n camden
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Feeding Free range deer.
[Re: Mbrock]
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06/16/22 10:26 PM
06/16/22 10:26 PM
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Uokman2014
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Natural browse does not have the maximum protein that a deer needs. There’s several native plants with 20-30% protein and feeding small scale on 40-80 acres is not going to produce any noticeable gains. For the money spent on feed on a tract that size you’re far better off improving habitat through TSI and burning. Way way ahead. Deer spend most of their time on native vegetation. Not feed sites. What is TSI?
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Re: Feeding Free range deer.
[Re: Uokman2014]
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06/17/22 12:03 AM
06/17/22 12:03 AM
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Natural browse does not have the maximum protein that a deer needs. There’s several native plants with 20-30% protein and feeding small scale on 40-80 acres is not going to produce any noticeable gains. For the money spent on feed on a tract that size you’re far better off improving habitat through TSI and burning. Way way ahead. Deer spend most of their time on native vegetation. Not feed sites. What is TSI? Timber stand improvements. Improving deer herds in the south is about vegetation management and trigger control, not feeding. The best thing you can do is fire up a chain saw and a drop torch.
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Re: Feeding Free range deer.
[Re: Mbrock]
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06/17/22 01:10 AM
06/17/22 01:10 AM
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Natural browse does not have the maximum protein that a deer needs. There’s several native plants with 20-30% protein and feeding small scale on 40-80 acres is not going to produce any noticeable gains. For the money spent on feed on a tract that size you’re far better off improving habitat through TSI and burning. Way way ahead. Deer spend most of their time on native vegetation. Not feed sites. What is TSI? Timber stand improvements. Improving deer herds in the south is about vegetation management and trigger control, not feeding. The best thing you can do is fire up a chain saw and a drop torch. Truth**
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Re: Feeding Free range deer.
[Re: Ant67]
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06/18/22 08:04 PM
06/18/22 08:04 PM
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Those giving input do you feel the same way about summer plots? I think in a large scale agricultural type setting it does make a difference. When the landscape is made up of majority ag fields and draws for timber, I think you could say that majority of the deers diet is from the ag. In Alabama that’s not the case. There’s plenty of native vegetation that puts out higher protein than what the deer can handle. A little bit of this, a little bit of that.. they are balanced eaters. Does summer plantings in Alabama hurt? Absolutely not. Any of it is an improvement. Is it worth the money? Probably not. You will get way more out of what Mbrock is telling you in regards to TSI. You’ll spend more in feeding the deer through protein pellets than summer plots.
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Re: Feeding Free range deer.
[Re: Mbrock]
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06/19/22 08:05 PM
06/19/22 08:05 PM
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Ant67, there are cases where summer planting high protein forage such as beans, peas, lab lab etc can have an impact over time, but the way I see most properties plant summer crops it’s nothing more than a waste of money. In areas of high deer densities they simply wipe out the crop before it has time to be any benefit, or they’re planted on such a small scale they’re not providing much in the way of additional nutrition over what native vegetation is already there. Large summer plots of several acres can be a big benefit. They provide protein during peak lactation and antler growth, and deer far prefer to browse than eat from a feeder. Wish I could get some clubs/hunters to understand this. A LOT of time/effort/money goes into spring planting 10-12, 1 acre or less sized plots. And it’s basically worthless to the end goal. Especially in areas where a bunch of thinned timber and fresh CC’e exist - and we are in year 5 of above average rainfall. Clubs could use that time and energy to trap / hire trapper / fertilize natural browse, etc. There’s a hunter group think mentality that is hard to crack.
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Re: Feeding Free range deer.
[Re: turkey247]
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06/19/22 08:19 PM
06/19/22 08:19 PM
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Mbrock
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Ant67, there are cases where summer planting high protein forage such as beans, peas, lab lab etc can have an impact over time, but the way I see most properties plant summer crops it’s nothing more than a waste of money. In areas of high deer densities they simply wipe out the crop before it has time to be any benefit, or they’re planted on such a small scale they’re not providing much in the way of additional nutrition over what native vegetation is already there. Large summer plots of several acres can be a big benefit. They provide protein during peak lactation and antler growth, and deer far prefer to browse than eat from a feeder. Wish I could get some clubs/hunters to understand this. A LOT of time/effort/money goes into spring planting 10-12, 1 acre or less sized plots. And it’s basically worthless to the end goal. Especially in areas where a bunch of thinned timber and fresh CC’e exist - and we are in year 5 of above average rainfall. Clubs could use that time and energy to trap / hire trapper / fertilize natural browse, etc. There’s a hunter group think mentality that is hard to crack. Yep. If you’ve got the acreage and resources then planting large summer forage crops can be a great thing. You can actually see measurable results over time. Do that with great habitat management and trigger restraint and you can produce deer that will surprise you. But, unfortunately most of the summer crops planted on leases and smaller properties are just as you described. They’re incredibly expensive to plant and maintain and make people feel good, but money could be spent on other management practices that are more beneficial. Guess it depends on the objectives. Expecting a jump in antler scores per age class and body weights shouldn’t be one of them though. It’s likely not going to happen on a small scale.
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Re: Feeding Free range deer.
[Re: fr8-shkr]
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06/19/22 09:21 PM
06/19/22 09:21 PM
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TDog93
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^^^ 247 / MBrock - u guys see many people fertilize natural browse on thinned timber and if so u like that move ? Too late to do this year if u do like and which fertilizer ? If don’t like - ignore post
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Feeding Free range deer.
[Re: fr8-shkr]
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06/20/22 09:33 AM
06/20/22 09:33 AM
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TDog93
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^^^^ Thanks - Will play it b ear - had 3 bags triple 13 left over - but that place has had a green explosion in thinned area
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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