Hosea 9
“When I found Israel,
it was like finding grapes in the desert;
when I saw your ancestors,
it was like seeing the early fruit on the fig tree.
But when they came to Baal Peor,
they consecrated themselves to that shameful idol
and became as vile as the thing they loved.
11 Ephraim’s glory will fly away like a bird—
no birth, no pregnancy, no conception.
12 Even if they rear children,
I will bereave them of every one.
Woe to them
when I turn away from them!
13 I have seen Ephraim, like Tyre,
planted in a pleasant place.
But Ephraim will bring out
their children to the slayer.”

14 Give them, Lord—
what will you give them?
Give them wombs that miscarry
and breasts that are dry.

15 “Because of all their wickedness in Gilgal,
I hated them there.
Because of their sinful deeds,
I will drive them out of my house.
I will no longer love them;
all their leaders are rebellious.
16 Ephraim is blighted,
their root is withered,
they yield no fruit.
Even if they bear children,
I will slay their cherished offspring.”


Hosea 13:16

The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open.”[a]

psalms 137
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

I’m gonna make one comment. If evil would attack and rape my daughter and impregnates her, I would not fault the baby for that. However if I ever had to opportunity to met the evil that did it, I would willfully and joyfully end it’s time here abruptly. I would also care and nurture both my daughter and that innocent baby as it would be a gift from God. Just as they always have been. I do think abortion is wrong but I do not hold judgement. That’s the Lords job.

Hey Kodiak - the constitution doesn't "give" us any rights at all. It protects what rights were God given. Don't think killing an unborn child in the womb is a God given right. That was the problem with Roe v. Wade in the first place and why it was overturned.

numbers 31
15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

That is the Bill of Rights. Roe v Wade was decided based a interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

The Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution. And it was incorrectly interpreted as has now been shown.

Exactly, the Bill of Rights is the first 10 amendments to the constitution, therefore part of the document, as are all amendments. If people want abortion to be protected at the national level then it should be drafted as a constitutional amendment. That’s the way our government works and exactly what the Supreme Court stated.

Until the people of this country gets it right about when life begins, we won't get anything else right either. And leaving it to politicians at any level to decide is a recipe for failure.
FOLLOW THE MONEY.

This is what I was trying to get Kodiak to explain his position on when he decided not to continue the discussion. I have a settled opinion on the subject, but am open to listen to anyone and consider the logic of their position. It’s usually about the same point in the discussion that you lose all the pro-choice folks.

IMO , when life starts is not it . We got to decide when the babies right's start and the woman rights end.

Any body can argue how they want but life began at conception

When the sperm enters the egg a unique DNA code is created that has never existed before. According to the University of Chicago 96% of “biologists” agree that’s when life begins. Not sure what constitutes a biologist or how they got 96% but that’s what was said on the news.

I’ve always thought it began at conception but that is limited. The heartbeat seems to be the measure as far as what most deem a baby.

I can live with that as being law. Basically 4 months to decide and then only in case of the mothers life being in jeopardy. Seems simple to me but it’s not evidently. The left will want all the way to birth and the right will want at the moment of conception. The heartbeat seems to me to be middle ground.

Heartbeat is generally detectable at 4-5 weeks

God doesnt effect free will.

There are legal ways to prevent pregnancy after rape. If someone gets raped, I would think that at the hospital visit they would make sure that a viable pregnancy doesn't happen. Waiting weeks, months just makes no sense.

Not exactly

https://www.livescience.com/65501-fetal-heartbeat-at-6-weeks-explained.html


https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=167987

You think maybe the priest put something in the water, to make it bitter and maybe cause an abortion situation? That is hard core stuff in the old testament.

Amen to this! The morning after pill will stop the fetus from forming. It should be offered free to rape victims.

Not exactly

https://www.livescience.com/65501-fetal-heartbeat-at-6-weeks-explained.html


https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=167987



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I stand corrected, 3 weeks. Thanks for the education.

Nice grasp
Read the first article. It’s not an actual heartbeat