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Re: New SOA?
[Re: Squadron77]
#3733068
08/24/22 10:40 AM
08/24/22 10:40 AM
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Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 6,706 somewhere around 112.
slippinlipjr
I make Calds fer a livin
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I make Calds fer a livin
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 6,706
somewhere around 112.
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There is nothing about Little or Blackwater River that screams SOA. In my opinion both should be just like Lillian Swamp or Splinter Hill Bog. They will be the least producing SOAs in the state. A friend of mine killed the only buck on Blackwater last year.
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Re: New SOA?
[Re: slippinlipjr]
#3733793
08/25/22 01:32 PM
08/25/22 01:32 PM
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Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 141 Limestone County
87v6bird
3 point
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3 point
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 141
Limestone County
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There is nothing about Little or Blackwater River that screams SOA. In my opinion both should be just like Lillian Swamp or Splinter Hill Bog. They will be the least producing SOAs in the state. A friend of mine killed the only buck on Blackwater last year. I like some of the SOAs but I agree that these seem like a reach and, in the case of Blackwater, should just be a Forever Wild property.
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Re: New SOA?
[Re: Squadron77]
#3733857
08/25/22 03:09 PM
08/25/22 03:09 PM
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Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 2,252 Central to South AL
Stickers
8 point
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8 point
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 2,252
Central to South AL
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Tired of the SOA scam. Booked a hunt to South Texas in December during their rut. The public benefit is a ruse IMO for a select few to get the most benefit.
WDE
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Re: New SOA?
[Re: Stickers]
#3733877
08/25/22 03:59 PM
08/25/22 03:59 PM
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Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 5,084 Mobile,AL/ Baldwin, Al
gatorbait154
12 point
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12 point
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 5,084
Mobile,AL/ Baldwin, Al
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Tired of the SOA scam. Booked a hunt to South Texas in December during their rut. The public benefit is a ruse IMO for a select few to get the most benefit. Absolutely and its a scam to sell more wildlife management licenses, that you are required to purchase before you can apply. That gives the state more license sells to obtain the matching federal dollars.
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Re: New SOA?
[Re: Stickers]
#3734166
08/26/22 08:25 AM
08/26/22 08:25 AM
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Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 5,322 Michigan
Sasquatch Lives
12 point
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12 point
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 5,322
Michigan
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Tired of the SOA scam. Booked a hunt to South Texas in December during their rut. The public benefit is a ruse IMO for a select few to get the most benefit. I agree. I would rather have good quality WMA's for everyone to hunt than a few great quality SOA's that only the chosen few get to hunt.
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Re: New SOA?
[Re: Squadron77]
#3734172
08/26/22 08:30 AM
08/26/22 08:30 AM
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Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,719 Tuscaloosa, AL
Nightwatchman
8 point
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8 point
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,719
Tuscaloosa, AL
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I have hated the SOA system since its inception. Really scared of the day they start annexing in current open permit public land. I have been told my Chuck himself that won't happen but there are members of the Democratic party I trust more than I trust that man
Last edited by Nightwatchman; 08/26/22 08:31 AM.
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Re: New SOA?
[Re: jono23]
#3734193
08/26/22 08:58 AM
08/26/22 08:58 AM
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Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 7,514 Free State of Winston
FreeStateHunter
They Call Me Gator 🐊
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They Call Me Gator 🐊
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 7,514
Free State of Winston
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They are free, sounds worth signing up for to me. Nothings free. Every time you see a new SOA pop up for us to hunt just know that’s another line item in a budget somewhere eating our tax dollars. These SOA’s are just becoming a jobs program. They have to staff personnel to manage the land, the law enforcement and the application process for each one. Compared to WMA’s members of the state don’t get access to the land near as much. I’m all for public lands but these SOA’s are garbage
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Re: New SOA?
[Re: Nightwatchman]
#3734225
08/26/22 10:30 AM
08/26/22 10:30 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 52,103 Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 52,103
Round ‘bout there
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Tired of the SOA scam. Booked a hunt to South Texas in December during their rut. The public benefit is a ruse IMO for a select few to get the most benefit. Absolutely and its a scam to sell more wildlife management licenses, that you are required to purchase before you can apply. That gives the state more license sells to obtain the matching federal dollars. Management area permits are not included in the federal excise tax returns. Anything with "License" in the name is included - hunting license, fishing license, baiting privilege license, etc. That is specifically why the "baiting privilege license" has the word license in it, so they could include it for more money AND require it for anyone of any age hunting with bait, despite the age requirements for a license (16 to 64). IMO that's fraud, but they're getting away with it. If we tried to pull something like that in the civilian world and double-dip with a Hunting License and Baiting Privilege License to get more fed money, we'd be put in prison. Permits are not included in the federal excise tax returns. SOA permits, WMA permits, the migratory bird HIP permit, etc. I have hated the SOA system since its inception. Really scared of the day they start annexing in current open permit public land. I have been told my Chuck himself that won't happen but there are members of the Democratic party I trust more than I trust that man "Why, you have 39,000 acres of land at Skyline WMA. You're complaining because we took out 10,000 for SOA "opportunities" for others?" "Lowndes WMA is huge. That little section for the SOA hunts won't hurt anything." If they can figure out a way to make more money on application fees and another permit, it'll happen. If they get money from people every year to put out bait they can con them into anything.
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Re: New SOA?
[Re: Coosa1]
#3734262
08/26/22 11:29 AM
08/26/22 11:29 AM
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Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,719 Tuscaloosa, AL
Nightwatchman
8 point
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8 point
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,719
Tuscaloosa, AL
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I love the SOA system, I hope they keep expanding it and adding properties. BUT I do not want to see existing WMAs turned into SOAs. I'm also afraid that eventually they will try to further monetize it by making you pay a fee for each individual registration like they did on the gator hunts, duck blind draws, and now the dove hunts.
Absolutely they will. Actually surprised they haven't done it yet. They will find a way to squeeze every single dime out of hunting
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Re: New SOA?
[Re: Clem]
#3734264
08/26/22 11:33 AM
08/26/22 11:33 AM
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Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,719 Tuscaloosa, AL
Nightwatchman
8 point
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8 point
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,719
Tuscaloosa, AL
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Tired of the SOA scam. Booked a hunt to South Texas in December during their rut. The public benefit is a ruse IMO for a select few to get the most benefit. Absolutely and its a scam to sell more wildlife management licenses, that you are required to purchase before you can apply. That gives the state more license sells to obtain the matching federal dollars. Management area permits are not included in the federal excise tax returns. Anything with "License" in the name is included - hunting license, fishing license, baiting privilege license, etc. That is specifically why the "baiting privilege license" has the word license in it, so they could include it for more money AND require it for anyone of any age hunting with bait, despite the age requirements for a license (16 to 64). IMO that's fraud, but they're getting away with it. If we tried to pull something like that in the civilian world and double-dip with a Hunting License and Baiting Privilege License to get more fed money, we'd be put in prison. Permits are not included in the federal excise tax returns. SOA permits, WMA permits, the migratory bird HIP permit, etc. I have hated the SOA system since its inception. Really scared of the day they start annexing in current open permit public land. I have been told my Chuck himself that won't happen but there are members of the Democratic party I trust more than I trust that man "Why, you have 39,000 acres of land at Skyline WMA. You're complaining because we took out 10,000 for SOA "opportunities" for others?" "Lowndes WMA is huge. That little section for the SOA hunts won't hurt anything." If they can figure out a way to make more money on application fees and another permit, it'll happen. If they get money from people every year to put out bait they can con them into anything. YEP.... read that chit in facebook comments all the time.. makes my blood boil...most people do not understand the ramifications of what we could open the door to. People THINK they want AL to look like western states with draw areas everywhere UNTIL you can only draw a permit for premier black belt "public" land every 3-5 years....infuriates me. I asked my district rep to introduce legislation making it illegal to annex existing open permit land into the SOA system.....Mr Rich Wingo is great former football player and exemplary evangelical Christian, but he did not care to help me with this one
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Re: New SOA?
[Re: Nightwatchman]
#3734836
08/27/22 02:50 PM
08/27/22 02:50 PM
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Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 150 Mobile,AL
ericbowhunter
3 point
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3 point
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 150
Mobile,AL
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The SOA program sucks!
Last edited by ericbowhunter; 08/27/22 02:51 PM.
nocked ,locked, and ready to rock!
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Re: New SOA?
[Re: 270 guru]
#3735196
08/28/22 08:48 AM
08/28/22 08:48 AM
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Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,855 Elmore County
treemydog
8 point
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8 point
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,855
Elmore County
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Little river state forest is disability hunting only. Unless they let a couple hunt behind park side. Called montgomery wS told disability area will not change I saw Little River State Forest on the 22-23 list of SOAs. I heard is that they added a big chunk of land and expanded it.
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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