To your first question, they don't know the difference, pressure is pressure. Increased activity off the beaten path is new pressure . I just don't get why folks ride deeper in the woods , check cameras every few days and think it doesn't matter.

Glad I got my own place and run it myself - 0 arguments 🤣🤣

Prob about to turn my cameras off for a while - deer in Camden slowed way down anyway

Usually first sits are great especially if weather cool. If they stay on acorns - opening week of muzzleloader May not be as strong as I had hoped - at least in Camden. I will check today or tomorrow to see what they been doing in Clarke

Scientific research also shows if you shoot and kill a coyote, it is one less coyote in the population.

Depends , it might be a female . If it is you took a lot out of it .

“Pressure” is not spread out evenly across all the deer on your property……Its different from one deer to another based on their individual experiences in the past. What we tend to do as hunters is concentrate as many deer together in one place as we can on a food plot or a feeder and then shoot one out of the group. The other deer that are present in these situations learn very quickly from these experiences and it sticks with them. Much of why it causes such an impact on them is because of the big BOOM from the gun.....somewhat similar to how a dog becomes gun shy. It only takes them experiencing it one time to change their behavior

What’s so funny about our idea of the great white buck hunter is that a good portion of these older bucks that are being killed are done so much more as a result of the overall management practices of the property they live on as they are the skills of any individual hunter. Folks are actually hunting in much simpler set-ups on these properties to kill these deer than what you would envision. Now, that’s different than hunting old bucks where they have been heavily pressured by gun hunters. It is only when bucks are forced to adapt their behavior to intense shooting pressure that they become so much more elusive and hard to kill......otherwise you can just sit on the side of a food plot and sling arrows at them when they walk out.

Agreed that trapping is an excellent management tool, and needs to be done in the time frames you mentioned.
But I still shoot a yote when I see em.

Well thats one of the reasons we said you can't shoot a doe off a green field. But I will bet you money I will have at least one scooterhead who gets out of a house on a green field and spooks deer off it.

So as long as there's no BOOM , you can do any other activity , as much as you want and it won't effect them. It's all about the BOOM, OooooooK.

Need clarification , is it any BOOM or only a BOOM at a Coyote?

In a nutshell, yes……..One of the bowhunting only properties I track for shoots over 100 deer per year with bows and yet the deer still stand around out in the open like cattle as we ride in and out. I watched a herd of 15-20 one morning stand in the end of a big field and watch while me and Otis tracked across it. ….Explain that to me if what I’m saying is not true

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Reckon it would be any different if they gun hunted but only shot big bucks ? Just a few BOOMs a year. Or if they hunted in the woods ?

When a deer is shot at with a bow the majority of the time is doesn’t even have a clue what has happened and it doesn’t link the event to a negative experience. In comparison, the sudden Earth rattling “BOOOM” that happens with a close range gun shot usually leaves no doubt. I’ve had other hunters from hundreds of yards away shoot and nearly make me jump out of my tree when the crack broke the silence…..Can you imagine that same BOOM only being 75 yards away with the muzzle pointed at you??? That is the overriding variable that marks the event or etches it into the mind of the deer…….You may also have it followed up with mama flopping and a human racing to the scene which compounds the problem of tying the BOOM flop to a human predator……..and then this is where you get simple human presence then becoming “pressure”…..It’s only after you’ve taught them to fear you through obvious negative interactions highlighted by “BOOOOOM!!!!”.

Yes, I think you could do that to a degree………It would take a fair sized property that only one or two people hunted for big bucks……You would still likely be impacting the other bucks to an extent that are likely gonna be with the ones you shoot and exclusively hunting in the woods will not be realistic when you’re watching bucks run around out in the open fields chasing does…..You’ll end up capping him one afternoon while a bunch of other deer are in the field. I believe that deer have the ability to learn and quickly adapt to a single negative event if the event is traumatic enough to them. You just wouldn’t have nearly the same freedom to shoot deer with a gun and have the same minimal impact as the bow hunting scenario.

These properties get to be this way over the course of time as generations of deer exist where hardly any of them even know they are being shot at……and vice versa the same is true in reverse……year after year after year of shooting at them with a gun educates them more and more each season to their being a threat present. A property could switch from gun to bow hunting tomorrow and it would probably take a minimum of 5 years to start getting deer behavior in the manner I’m talking about. A new “generation” would have to work its way through…..Pressure is not just about current events but all the events in a deer’s life. Once you’ve tied that negative event to humans then its locked in and you’re a threat and then the amount your present effects behavior

Lol , I'm gonna keep hunting like I always have . Seems to be working . Lol

When I was younger me and my BIL put heavy pressure of deer and we killed the hell out deer. But we wasn't setting on our as's ,,,,, we went after them .

The only safe place they had was when they went in the freezer

Where we used to run dogs we run he'll out of it till about noon then still hunt that evening

You ain't seeing deer change how you hunt

This is really not a black or white issue but rather one that occurs on a spectrum……You can have deer that slip around like a cat on hot tin roof and you can have deer that walk around in fields like cattle without a care in the world……and you can have numerous varying degrees occurring in somewhere in the middle…….all just depending on the frequency rate of negative human interactions per deer for any given area or property.

Coyotes can also cause "pressure" and change deer behavior..... but that’s another discussion

I know a group of 3 who killed 50+ year after year with a gun, most were does . They tended to pull their bucks green for my likin', however, when they did kill a bigger mature buck it was almost always in the woods and by one feller in particular . We've only killed one really good buck in a plot and trust me , we don't over hunt them or go BOOM very often. MOF , that buck was in our most hunted plot where a few does might have been killed earlier in the season. Up here they just don't get caught out in them in daylight. We do our damage on mature bucks in the woods.

Our bucks bust up in early December so they don't get educated seeing their buddy shot that often . It's been my experience the dominate buck may not run with a bachelor group at any time in the year.

Unless you are really shooting a lot , there's a lot worse ways to introduce pressure than an occasional BOOM. They do hear thunder after all.

2Dogs , three men can wipe a place out if they work together. Man drives are deadly.

What we done a lot of times .

Even running dogs we'd walk out places and kill damn nice bucks the dogs never got up.

As for coon hunting , you let some body coon hunt it you'll see more deer during the day.

You can have pressure and still kill nice deer .

Passive hunting is OK but you ain't gonna see as many deer doing it . I know , that's how I have to hunt now.

I've shot plenty of deer with a rifle and had the other deer in the area stick around. Shot a doe last year with two bucks, 2 YO and a 3 YO, within 100 yards of my stand. They looked up at the shot then went back to feeding. Sat in the stand and another hunter shot about 300 yards away a few minutes later.

Bucks kept feeding...