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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: Teacher One]
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11/28/22 08:18 PM
11/28/22 08:18 PM
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robinhedd
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That's an amazing find. I can't make up my mind if it's a Clovis or a Cumberland. Either way, it's beautiful. Very rare! I’m no expert and haven’t found a whole lot of good points myself, but I instantly thought Cumberland when I saw the picture. Robinhedd Most of the time a Cumberland has the full-length flute. I bet you have duck hunted on Heavens Half Acre! It is just East of me here on 6th Street. Mr. Holland from school dug almost all of the site up and documented tons of stuff that came off it. There was even a 5" Clovis on display in the library in Leighton that Holland donated to the library. One day two men were visiting the library and went into the room that housed all the arrowheads. Mrs. King happened to notice two days later that it was gone. The visitors simply took it from the cased display and stole it. The points from the library are now displayed in Bank Independent in Leighton.
"Guess I just got too much Mathews in me!"
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: jb20]
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11/28/22 08:27 PM
11/28/22 08:27 PM
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cartervj
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I’m trying to figure out where the heavens half acre land is.
I’ve heard of some the stories you mention. One of my best friends is a mussel diver and has been since the 80s. He’s kinda in the know on this stuff. The other guy I mentioned has been long gone. He pretended to be a mussel diver and spent his time under water digging.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: cartervj]
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11/28/22 08:37 PM
11/28/22 08:37 PM
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Teacher One
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I’m trying to figure out where the heavens half acre land is.
I’ve heard of some the stories you mention. One of my best friends is a mussel diver and has been since the 80s. He’s kinda in the know on this stuff. The other guy I mentioned has been long gone. He pretended to be a mussel diver and spent his time under water digging. -----He wasn't a bricklayer by trade was He? Heavens Half Acre is now long gone but folks still hunt it. Not much is left there now. Maybe some scattered points on the higher spots but most were removed by Holland. Drive to Leighton from Cherokee using Old Hwy 20. Come to the red light and turn left (north). Go two miles and turn right (East) beside Dr. Ashmore's estate. This is 6th street. Go about 1.5 miles and before you get to Fennel Lane it is on the right. It is the site that has the high ground. There is a huge culvert under the road there to drain the field. Look at the area real close and you will see how it would be the perfect ambush site for taking animals between the wetlands. It is a journey back in time every time we go by there.
I can't stand a thief.
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: Teacher One]
#3798817
11/28/22 08:38 PM
11/28/22 08:38 PM
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robinhedd
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Brent, we all could retire if we would have just hunted arrowheads as kids where we all grew up instead of hunting deer! I even remember seeing a box of broken points your dad had at a yard sale one time. I know you and Clint probably found them when we growing up. I wanted them, but wouldn't pay 20.00 for them at the time. I wish I had it to do over now. I know one of my neighbors that had arrowheads in their flowerbeds around the house like they were pea gravel or lava rock, that’s the honest truth ‼️
"Guess I just got too much Mathews in me!"
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: robinhedd]
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11/28/22 08:41 PM
11/28/22 08:41 PM
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Teacher One
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[quote=Teacher One]Brent, we all could retire if we.......I know one of my neighbors that had arrowheads in their flowerbeds around the house like they were pea gravel or lava rock, that’s the honest truth ‼️ Next time you are here, look at the mulch around the pool. It is all pottery found on Town Creek. I bet there is at least a thousand pounds around the flowers. It took a while to do it!
I can't stand a thief.
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: jb20]
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11/28/22 08:49 PM
11/28/22 08:49 PM
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deadeye48
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I wish I had known more about this stuff We used to have several spots where we’d find points everywhere Just never had any guidance on what we had or about any value
When I need expert advice I tend to talk to myself The older I get the better I used to be
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: deadeye48]
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11/28/22 09:01 PM
11/28/22 09:01 PM
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Teacher One
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I wish I had known more about this stuff We used to have several spots where we’d find points everywhere Just never had any guidance on what we had or about any value Daddy used to tell me they would pick them up and hit them together to watch the sparks come off the flint. They also used to throw them across the creek and skip them on the surface. He said the ones that were the flattest would skip the best. No telling how many he threw across the creek years ago. I once got a gorget from my granddaddy who farmed. He picked it up and was about to throw it into a fencerow to get it out of the cotton field. He put it in his overalls and said "I saved this for you knowing how much you like this junk."
I can't stand a thief.
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: jb20]
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11/28/22 09:05 PM
11/28/22 09:05 PM
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Andalusia
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I have a few arrow heads and other objects my family has found over the years but I never really considered buying any. I always thought if arrow and spear heads are all over then making them is a skill that can be learned by several patient minded people and what is stopping someone from just making fakes?
If they are selling for $1,000 an inch or more then there is incentive for fakes to be made and sold. Since they can make them from thousands of year old rock then how can you tell if it is real or a fake. Even fakes can be buried and dug up and photographed like they were just discovered.
Finding them on your own is a great way to collect but buying them seems risky.
Maybe there are ways to tell if one is newly made??
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: Teacher One]
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11/28/22 09:07 PM
11/28/22 09:07 PM
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cartervj
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I’m trying to figure out where the heavens half acre land is.
I’ve heard of some the stories you mention. One of my best friends is a mussel diver and has been since the 80s. He’s kinda in the know on this stuff. The other guy I mentioned has been long gone. He pretended to be a mussel diver and spent his time under water digging. -----He wasn't a bricklayer by trade was He? Heavens Half Acre is now long gone but folks still hunt it. Not much is left there now. Maybe some scattered points on the higher spots but most were removed by Holland. Drive to Leighton from Cherokee using Old Hwy 20. Come to the red light and turn left (north). Go two miles and turn right (East) beside Dr. Ashmore's estate. This is 6th street. Go about 1.5 miles and before you get to Fennel Lane it is on the right. It is the site that has the high ground. There is a huge culvert under the road there to drain the field. Look at the area real close and you will see how it would be the perfect ambush site for taking animals between the wetlands. It is a journey back in time every time we go by there. I know where you’re talking. I thought it might have been by the airport off 6th. Some borrow ditches back behind Counts farm Only job he ever had was mussel diving. He was a buyer at times. He told me that the market had crashed. One guy that was buying around here was out and he mentioned eBay driving prices down and fake points. There is no telling how much he made off artifacts. He will never tell and I’m not asking. I know beside our farm there’s a site that was surveyed and large stones placed to keep diggers out. It’s in the Natchez Trace. I think skinny knows the archeologist that mapped the site. I wished I knew more about artifacts. Next time I disk i may take a walk about.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: TravisBatey]
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11/28/22 09:12 PM
11/28/22 09:12 PM
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jb20
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Awesome find.
Anyone know of a map that shows what tribes lived in what areas? Specifically Jackson county? I’ve got a big book about it I just loaned it to a friend but I’ll get it tomorrow n let u know
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: jb20]
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11/28/22 09:17 PM
11/28/22 09:17 PM
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Posts: 3,802 Scottsboro Al
TravisBatey
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Awesome find.
Anyone know of a map that shows what tribes lived in what areas? Specifically Jackson county? I’ve got a big book about it I just loaned it to a friend but I’ll get it tomorrow n let u know Cool I appreciate it. Me,Jbatey and our dad use to hunt some on some private farm fields and got a few cool finds but nothing like above. I’ve always been fascinated though. Jbatey and his wife have a large farm now with several miles of bluff and we’ve been kind of curious of the likelihood of Indians every living amongst it.
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: Teacher One]
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11/28/22 09:27 PM
11/28/22 09:27 PM
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gman
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I’m trying to figure out where the heavens half acre land is.
I’ve heard of some the stories you mention. One of my best friends is a mussel diver and has been since the 80s. He’s kinda in the know on this stuff. The other guy I mentioned has been long gone. He pretended to be a mussel diver and spent his time under water digging. -----He wasn't a bricklayer by trade was He? Heavens Half Acre is now long gone but folks still hunt it. Not much is left there now. Maybe some scattered points on the higher spots but most were removed by Holland. Drive to Leighton from Cherokee using Old Hwy 20. Come to the red light and turn left (north). Go two miles and turn right (East) beside Dr. Ashmore's estate. This is 6th street. Go about 1.5 miles and before you get to Fennel Lane it is on the right. It is the site that has the high ground. There is a huge culvert under the road there to drain the field. Look at the area real close and you will see how it would be the perfect ambush site for taking animals between the wetlands. It is a journey back in time every time we go by there. Dang, i used to scout several farms all around that farm. It was always sb though and looking for points in no till beans aint easy
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: Andalusia]
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11/28/22 09:30 PM
11/28/22 09:30 PM
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Posts: 26,557 Fayetteville TN Via Selma
jawbone
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I have a few arrow heads and other objects my family has found over the years but I never really considered buying any. I always thought if arrow and spear heads are all over then making them is a skill that can be learned by several patient minded people and what is stopping someone from just making fakes?
If they are selling for $1,000 an inch or more then there is incentive for fakes to be made and sold. Since they can make them from thousands of year old rock then how can you tell if it is real or a fake. Even fakes can be buried and dug up and photographed like they were just discovered.
Finding them on your own is a great way to collect but buying them seems risky.
Maybe there are ways to tell if one is newly made?? There are way too many fakes in the collecting trade these days. That is why I quit buying, sold or traded the stuff that I had that I didn't personally find. Some stuff it is easy to tell it is fake but other stuff is really well made and artificially aged that it is hard to tell. I had a friend right around the corner from me that restored artifacts for a living and is the best in the business. He helped me out a lot but he moved his family to the Cullman area and I didn't have enough confidence in my own abilities to spend money on something that I wasn't sure was authentic. Plus that is when my family was starting to come along so there was no spare money to lose so I quit buying artifacts. Not to mention that I didn't want any part of anything illegal and it is likely some of the best stuff either came from places not allowed to look or they were burial associated. In the end, I have way more pride in my collection, and I have some nice stuff that I found, than if I had bought it from a dealer.
Last edited by jawbone; 11/28/22 09:32 PM.
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: jb20]
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11/28/22 09:42 PM
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jb20
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Very nice collection XVIII I’ve got a lot but half r broken… Travis if you’ll pm me I’ll send those books to u and.u can send em back sometime in next few months
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: jb20]
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11/28/22 09:43 PM
11/28/22 09:43 PM
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Very nice collection, did you find all those?
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: jb20]
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11/28/22 09:45 PM
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Bet they had to be excellent trackers to find the animals they shot.
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Re: Nice arrowhead
[Re: TravisBatey]
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11/28/22 09:58 PM
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2Dogs
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Awesome find.
Anyone know of a map that shows what tribes lived in what areas? Specifically Jackson county? I don't have a map, but have info on the specific tribe that lived on our property . Pretty good story, I'll show it to ya sometime. Some maps I've seen we were right on the border of Cherokee and Creek .
"Why do you ask"?
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