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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: Groundhawg]
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12/14/22 12:26 PM
12/14/22 12:26 PM
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Irishguy
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I think there have been mass migrations from the war torn areas.
I'm reading that the Russians are actually running out of munitions. They only have enough missiles left for a few more salvos and the artillery shells they have been reduced to slinging are over 40 years old at this point. They are having to buy munitions from the Iranians and the North Koreans.
Russia's population was already in decline before they started this crap. I honestly don't think, going forward, that their society can survive. They have already lost more than 100k troops and many more of their young men are dying every day. Not to mention the young men who have fled the country and will never return.
Putin, trying to keep his country relevant, is on the verge of destroying it forever. As of Oct. these are the numbers from Ukraine - Russia has lost nearly 63,000 soldiers since it launched its invasion of Ukraine on February 24, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said. The losses are attributed to Kyiv’s strong counter-offensives, particularly in key locations captured by Moscow. Apart from the casualties, Russia has reportedly also lost thousands of weapons and equipment amid the ongoing war. A total of 2,505 Russian main battle tanks have been destroyed, while 5,165 armored combat vehicles were neutralized. Moscow has also lost more than 1,000 aircraft and drones due to Ukraine’s strong air defense systems. The 100K number is from Gen. Marks but I would not trust mucg he said. The 100k number is also from the UK government. And when I used the word "lost" this is including dead, wounded and desertions. Either way they are not in the fight anymore.
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: Irishguy]
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12/14/22 12:36 PM
12/14/22 12:36 PM
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jmudler
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Forcing Russia to buy on the counterfeit market. How much does anyone want to bet the processors have will have "extra features".
Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: Irishguy]
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12/14/22 07:58 PM
12/14/22 07:58 PM
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Happysappy
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The bottom line regardless of the specific numbers is...
Russia is losing way more men and materials than they can afford to lose and remain a world super power. And seeing what has transpired, it makes you wonder if they ever really were a super power. As long as Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world they will remain a “super power”. In fact, even more dangerous now that their conventional forces are depleted. They have faced devastating loses that are embarrassing to them. Their only options at this point is tuck tale and negotiate a ceasefire from a weakened position or resort to nukes to show who’s actually the stronger. Im afraid they will be backed into a corner and resort to the latter. Every day this drags on, this world gets closer to a nuclear disaster. To compound the problem, the strongest country in the world has a demented brain fried clown in the White House. That moron isnt able to handle this level of world crisis.
Last edited by Happysappy; 12/14/22 07:59 PM.
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: gman]
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12/14/22 08:29 PM
12/14/22 08:29 PM
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goodman_hunter
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Nothing is stopping them from withdrawing from the invasion. They can leave UA anytime they choose.
"A moment of realization is worth a thousand prayers"
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: goodman_hunter]
#3812515
12/14/22 08:34 PM
12/14/22 08:34 PM
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Lickskillet, AL
Irishguy
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Nothing is stopping them from withdrawing from the invasion. They can leave UA anytime they choose. ^^^^ He's right you know!
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: gman]
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12/14/22 08:37 PM
12/14/22 08:37 PM
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Luverne, AL
Skinny
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Unfortunately, I bet China eventually steps in and tells Vlad to stand down and withdraw. Vlad has no problem telling us to phuck-off but he aint going to say that to China.
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: Happysappy]
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12/14/22 08:41 PM
12/14/22 08:41 PM
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Lickskillet, AL
Irishguy
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The bottom line regardless of the specific numbers is...
Russia is losing way more men and materials than they can afford to lose and remain a world super power. And seeing what has transpired, it makes you wonder if they ever really were a super power. As long as Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world they will remain a “super power”. In fact, even more dangerous now that their conventional forces are depleted. They have faced devastating loses that are embarrassing to them. Their only options at this point is tuck tale and negotiate a ceasefire from a weakened position or resort to nukes to show who’s actually the stronger. Im afraid they will be backed into a corner and resort to the latter. Every day this drags on, this world gets closer to a nuclear disaster. To compound the problem, the strongest country in the world has a demented brain fried clown in the White House. That moron isnt able to handle this level of world crisis. What you say is partially true. India, Pakistan, Israel, and France all have nukes too, but I wouldn't consider them to be super powers. In my mind a super power has the ability to project their power all over the world. In all reality, the US is the only super power. Russia and China are just pretenders. One of the worst outcomes is that Russia will become a "Failed State" like Libya, Haiti, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc... Yet they will have all these nukes and they will be under the jurisdiction of various Warlord leaders. Like I have said in other posts... It will be interesting how this all turns out.
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: gman]
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12/15/22 02:30 AM
12/15/22 02:30 AM
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behind my Dillon
dave260rem!
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Kinda wonder if those men at the tip of the spear from Little creek VA or Coronado CA might settle vladdys hash.
Skinny is my EX.Alcohol was involved.
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: Beer Belly]
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12/15/22 07:17 AM
12/15/22 07:17 AM
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So we are spending BILLIONS. Destroying our economy. Funding the democrat elections today and in the future. Transferring billions from taxpayers to elites. All of this to beat Russia? Russia has ZERO ability to attack the US other than with ICBMs. How many ICBMs has Putin lost/used/etc? Are we closer to WWIII today than a year ago?
There are ~7.6 million Ukrainian refugees as a result of this war. Nearly 3 million of those refugees have fled to Russia.................. Explain why ~40% fled "to" Russia?
The reason de-escalation will never come from this administration’s mouth is because they don’t want this war to end. They get to funnel money to the defense contractors on one side, funnel money to their laundering channels in Ukraine, and all the while get to parade Biden around like he is tough against Russia. Lobbyists get theirs, DNC gets theirs, and the American citizen gets screwed. They let this war end then the money train dries up until the next crisis.
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: CeeHawk37]
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12/15/22 07:41 AM
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So we are spending BILLIONS. Destroying our economy. Funding the democrat elections today and in the future. Transferring billions from taxpayers to elites. All of this to beat Russia? Russia has ZERO ability to attack the US other than with ICBMs. How many ICBMs has Putin lost/used/etc? Are we closer to WWIII today than a year ago?
There are ~7.6 million Ukrainian refugees as a result of this war. Nearly 3 million of those refugees have fled to Russia.................. Explain why ~40% fled "to" Russia?
The reason de-escalation will never come from this administration’s mouth is because they don’t want this war to end. They get to funnel money to the defense contractors on one side, funnel money to their laundering channels in Ukraine, and all the while get to parade Biden around like he is tough against Russia. Lobbyists get theirs, DNC gets theirs, and the American citizen gets screwed. They let this war end then the money train dries up until the next crisis. Have we fought a war within the last 50 years that were not focused on padding politicians pockets? We had to do something after 9/11 but highly doubt all the players involved were targeted.
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: Beer Belly]
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12/15/22 08:14 AM
12/15/22 08:14 AM
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coffee county
goodman_hunter
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So we are spending BILLIONS. Destroying our economy. Funding the democrat elections today and in the future. Transferring billions from taxpayers to elites. All of this to beat Russia? Russia has ZERO ability to attack the US other than with ICBMs. How many ICBMs has Putin lost/used/etc? Are we closer to WWIII today than a year ago?
There are ~7.6 million Ukrainian refugees as a result of this war. Nearly 3 million of those refugees have fled to Russia.................. Explain why ~40% fled "to" Russia?
the only people to flee UA towards Russia are the Russians that were brought in to root out Ukrainians from their own land and the "refuge's" who've been kidnapped and sent to "filtration camps" Alot didn't make it through the filtration process due to the torture and murder. Alot of Russians are also fleeing Russia. The smart ones anyways, lol. I can assure you that this isn't destroying our economy.
"A moment of realization is worth a thousand prayers"
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: CeeHawk37]
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12/15/22 08:18 AM
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So we are spending BILLIONS. Destroying our economy. Funding the democrat elections today and in the future. Transferring billions from taxpayers to elites. All of this to beat Russia? Russia has ZERO ability to attack the US other than with ICBMs. How many ICBMs has Putin lost/used/etc? Are we closer to WWIII today than a year ago?
There are ~7.6 million Ukrainian refugees as a result of this war. Nearly 3 million of those refugees have fled to Russia.................. Explain why ~40% fled "to" Russia?
The reason de-escalation will never come from this administration’s mouth is because they don’t want this war to end. They get to funnel money to the defense contractors on one side, funnel money to their laundering channels in Ukraine, and all the while get to parade Biden around like he is tough against Russia. Lobbyists get theirs, DNC gets theirs, and the American citizen gets screwed. They let this war end then the money train dries up until the next crisis. Lets say for example, this administration decided to build the wall on our southern border. Won't happen, but lets pretend. Do you think they (all politicians) wouldn't get their greedy hands into the money? Of course they would. Does that mean that due to some corruption, we shouldn't build the wall?
Last edited by goodman_hunter; 12/15/22 08:19 AM.
"A moment of realization is worth a thousand prayers"
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: gman]
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12/15/22 08:37 AM
12/15/22 08:37 AM
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Goatkiller
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This war in Ukraine is nothing but a total scam.
We are going to lose this country to the clueless voting majority if we don't break up these big media corporations. People have no clue what is really going on over in Ukraine all they hear is someone hollering something about "Defending Democracy".
This has become dangerous to all of us at this point. Huntsville and Birmingham both have a Russian nuclear missile aimed at them.
I will end this by saying.... Well, I thought Trump was going to get us into a nuclear war...
Lies.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: goodman_hunter]
#3812773
12/15/22 09:26 AM
12/15/22 09:26 AM
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CeeHawk37
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So we are spending BILLIONS. Destroying our economy. Funding the democrat elections today and in the future. Transferring billions from taxpayers to elites. All of this to beat Russia? Russia has ZERO ability to attack the US other than with ICBMs. How many ICBMs has Putin lost/used/etc? Are we closer to WWIII today than a year ago?
There are ~7.6 million Ukrainian refugees as a result of this war. Nearly 3 million of those refugees have fled to Russia.................. Explain why ~40% fled "to" Russia?
The reason de-escalation will never come from this administration’s mouth is because they don’t want this war to end. They get to funnel money to the defense contractors on one side, funnel money to their laundering channels in Ukraine, and all the while get to parade Biden around like he is tough against Russia. Lobbyists get theirs, DNC gets theirs, and the American citizen gets screwed. They let this war end then the money train dries up until the next crisis. Lets say for example, this administration decided to build the wall on our southern border. Won't happen, but lets pretend. Do you think they (all politicians) wouldn't get their greedy hands into the money? Of course they would. Does that mean that due to some corruption, we shouldn't build the wall? Not even a close comparison. The American taxpayer at least gets something out of building a wall on our border. We (the taxpayer) don’t get Jack out of continuously funding this war. This likely all could have been avoided if the US government would have stuck to its word and not even hinted at allowing border countries to Russia into NATO. Of course the Biden administration is compromised in terms of Ukraine so probably a lot of backdoor pressure was put on them by Ukraine to admit them to NATO. This could all be stopped right now if those in charge would attempt to de-escalate the situation by giving Russia a way out to save some face and avert the possibility of them doing something stupid with a nuke. Part of me thinks Russia won’t use a nuke because they don’t know it will actually function and hit what they are aiming at. Then again, backing them into a corner leaves that possibility open.
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Re: Ukraine/RF war
[Re: CeeHawk37]
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12/15/22 09:48 AM
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Not even a close comparison. The American taxpayer at least gets something out of building a wall on our border. We (the taxpayer) don’t get Jack out of continuously funding this war. This likely all could have been avoided if the US government would have stuck to its word and not even hinted at allowing border countries to Russia into NATO. Of course the Biden administration is compromised in terms of Ukraine so probably a lot of backdoor pressure was put on them by Ukraine to admit them to NATO. This could all be stopped right now if those in charge would attempt to de-escalate the situation by giving Russia a way out to save some face and avert the possibility of them doing something stupid with a nuke. Part of me thinks Russia won’t use a nuke because they don’t know it will actually function and hit what they are aiming at. Then again, backing
them into a corner leaves that possibility open.
If you break down the "UA funding" you would find that alot of the money is allocated to american companies, now and in the future. Lockheed Martin in Troy is a good example. Business is a booming. Once you subtract the MSRP markup for donated weapons, its not as much money as it sounds. That is increasing arms sales globally, bringing money back to this country. What percentage of our Annual military budget are we really talking about? There's plenty of legitimate reason to dislike this admin and its reckless spending, but IMO this isn't one of them. Especially when you justify not helping UA because of our politicians and their corruption. Its logical to campare your standard to other situations and see if it passes the muster.
Last edited by goodman_hunter; 12/15/22 09:52 AM.
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