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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: lefthorn] #3852158
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Originally Posted by lefthorn
Here is a deer for reference. I measured at 110”

[Linked Image]


I guess mass is holding the score back? Tine length looks to put it past that number!

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: coach2] #3852175
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Originally Posted by coach2
Originally Posted by lefthorn
Here is a deer for reference. I measured at 110”

[Linked Image]


I guess mass is holding the score back? Tine length looks to put it past that number!


3.5” bases. G2 not as long as pic looks. 8.5”

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852184
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That deer has mine beat by a few inches in several areas but I don’t see him being 10-15” bigger.
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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: 2Dogs] #3852201
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by cartervj
135 give or take a few




Yep.

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: lefthorn] #3852208
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Originally Posted by lefthorn
Bases look 5”. Brows around 5”. G2 around 11. G3 8. Main beams probably 20.

Be pretty close to 140

Sure wish people would take time to get a good picture in the woods with deer though. Makes memories soo much better than a tailgate pic

A big Alabama buck will be about 7.5" from the center of the eye to the tip of the nose. Ears are about 6" long and it's about 16" tip to tip on the ears. Circumference of the eye is 4". Keep in mind, this deer's rack on the end is MUCH closer to the camera than his head is.This buck has 3" brows, 8-9" 2s, 4-5" 3s. He has 3-4" bases and it does not carry out. Beams are tough to judge but appear to be about 21". I just don't see how on earth you guys are putting this deer over 130". That is really pushing it IMO.

Edit: I am not disparaging this deer in any way. He is a beauty with a cool tall rack and one for the wall IMO.

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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852221
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Someone try to get ole dude on the horn so we can find out how big it is, 😂

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852231
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Someone recreate the pic with a deer of known size

And I’m with you daylate, great buck. I’m just interested in scores. Helps me visualize how big a deer really is. Especially like those midwest 160”+ deer

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852240
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I look at deer and depending mass and spread….I either start at 80 or 90 and then add tine length……usually gets me pretty close…..for the mentioned deer I started at 90…… but I could easily be way off…either way it’s a very pretty deer 👍🏻

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: lefthorn] #3852241
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Originally Posted by lefthorn
Someone recreate the pic with a deer of known size

And I’m with you daylate, great buck. I’m just interested in scores. Helps me visualize how big a deer really is. Especially like those midwest 160”+ deer

Yes, and unfortunately, this one is really hard to tell because of the way the photo was taken. Not a good example to try to judge.

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852252
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A symmetrical 120 inch deer is not a mature deer even in AL. basket rack IMO. Small ear width 8 pointer will get you there, however in AL mass is the issue. Those are small mass measurements do add up if they carry some mass through their entire rack. But typically in AL rack is thin.

Let's ignore mass:

120 inch deer = Something like 16 spread, 20 inch mains and 8 inch G2s.

A very average deer for Alabama IMO..... if you aren't shooting up the woods you should have the opportunity to kill one every year. If you never see one of these you need to re-evaluate the gunfire.








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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Goatkiller] #3852253
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
A symmetrical 120 inch deer is not a mature deer even in AL. basket rack IMO. Small ear width 8 pointer will get you there, however in AL mass is the issue. Those are small mass measurements do add up if they carry some mass through their entire rack. But typically in AL rack is thin.

Let's ignore mass:

120 inch deer = Something like 16 spread, 20 inch mains and 8 inch G2s.

A very average deer for Alabama IMO..... if you aren't shooting up the woods you should have the opportunity to kill one every year. If you never see one of these you need to re-evaluate the gunfire.







Your crazy they all kind of mature deer that won't score 120 I've killed several


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852259
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The vast majority of mature deer in Alabama won’t see 130 and many won’t see 120”. We don’t have to guess about this stuff, there’s good data.

And most deer people call a 130” is a 110”

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: jb20] #3852260
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Originally Posted by jb20
Originally Posted by Goatkiller
A symmetrical 120 inch deer is not a mature deer even in AL. basket rack IMO. Small ear width 8 pointer will get you there, however in AL mass is the issue. Those are small mass measurements do add up if they carry some mass through their entire rack. But typically in AL rack is thin.

Let's ignore mass:

120 inch deer = Something like 16 spread, 20 inch mains and 8 inch G2s.

A very average deer for Alabama IMO..... if you aren't shooting up the woods you should have the opportunity to kill one every year. If you never see one of these you need to re-evaluate the gunfire.







Your crazy they all kind of mature deer that won't score 120 I've killed several

The deer in my area are great deer at 120” most won’t get there at 5. Around here I’d say less than 10% of ours will get any bigger than 125”.


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Goatkiller] #3852261
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
A symmetrical 120 inch deer is not a mature deer even in AL. A near basket rack IMO. Small ear width 8 pointer will get you almost there, however in AL mass is the issue. Those mass measurements seem small however they can add up if they carry some mass through their entire rack. But typically in AL rack is thin.

Let's ignore mass:

120 inch deer = Something like 16 spread, 20 inch mains and 8 inch G2s.

A very average deer for Alabama IMO..... if you aren't shooting up the woods you should have the opportunity to kill one every year. If you never see one of these you need to re-evaluate the gunfire.









We killed 8 bucks this year all 4-7yr old deer not one will make 120

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852264
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Not the best pic, BUT that bucks bases r well over 5" inches 😏


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: coach2] #3852268
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Originally Posted by coach2
I look at deer and depending mass and spread….I either start at 80 or 90 and then add tine length……usually gets me pretty close…..for the mentioned deer I started at 90…… but I could easily be way off…either way it’s a very pretty deer 👍🏻

I believe that method will get you in the ballpark:
"Wimpy's Rule

Jerry Stafford of southern Illinois has killed a ton of huge bucks. His dad Wimpy has killed his share too. Both Jerry and Wimpy guide for big Illinois bucks, and when a mature buck steps out, they use Wimpy's Rule to evaluate it. The rule is to take 100 and add in the total of the tine lengths. This 100-inch figure includes inside spread, main beam length and mass measurements. As you can see, this quickly simplifies scoring a deer on the hoof. If he has three points up and they are 10, 8 and 6 inches, this total 24 inches. Adding a 4 inch brow tine makes 28 inches for one side. Double this and we have 56 inches plus 100, giving us a net score of 156 inches, a great buck.

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How accurate is Wimpy's Rule? You may wonder. Pretty darn accurate for their area. The only thing they change is if a buck looks a little thin, they go to 95 inches, and if he looks a little bulkier than normal they go to 105 inches.

I have taken the scores of many local bucks and developed my own formula for the southern Indiana hill region I hunt. If a buck is a good healthy 3 1/2- or 4 1/2-year-old whitetail, I use a Wimpy's rule score of 90 inches, then add in the tine lengths. Since it is so hard to see brow tines, I use an average length of 4 inches for them. I score for Pope & Young and have found by looking over my score charts that Wimpy's Rule is a very accurate way of determining net score once you determine the figure to be used for your region.

For Alabama the figure might be 80 inches, while for Canada it may be 105 inches. Take time to study several score sheets from your local hunting area and average out the main beam, inside spread and mass measurement totals and you can accurately come up with your own Wimpy's Rule figure. You may want to fine tune your system like Wimpy does by adding or subtracting 5 inches or so from this figure if a deer's rack looks thin or heavy. Try this system on your future hunting trips and I believe you will find it to be the best way of speed scoring bucks on the hoof that you've ever tried."

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852274
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We are talking about symmetrical deer.

Explain to me exactly how I'm wrong:

120 inch deer = Something like 16 spread, 20 inch mains and 8 inch G2s.

This is a math. I am 100% correct. If mass is 3-3.5 you are going to score lower but 8" G2s = small deer.

If you can't shoot that you have problems that's a 3 year old deer anywhere in AL - IMO.


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Goatkiller] #3852280
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
We are talking about symmetrical deer.

Explain to me exactly how I'm wrong:

120 inch deer = Something like 16 spread, 20 inch mains and 8 inch G2s.

This is a math. I am 100% correct. If mass is 3-3.5 you are going to score lower but 8" G2s = small deer.

If you can't shoot that you have problems that's a 3 year old deer anywhere in AL - IMO.


Your math is probably right, but most deer don’t sniff a 16” spread in Bama at 3-4 years old. And mass on a rack is the exception not the rule.

I think 14” is the average mature spread in Mississippi.

There’s no way that the piney wood hollers of most areas of Bama do much better than that.

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Ben2] #3852281
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Originally Posted by Ben2
Originally Posted by Goatkiller
A symmetrical 120 inch deer is not a mature deer even in AL. A near basket rack IMO. Small ear width 8 pointer will get you almost there, however in AL mass is the issue. Those mass measurements seem small however they can add up if they carry some mass through their entire rack. But typically in AL rack is thin.

Let's ignore mass:

120 inch deer = Something like 16 spread, 20 inch mains and 8 inch G2s.

A very average deer for Alabama IMO..... if you aren't shooting up the woods you should have the opportunity to kill one every year. If you never see one of these you need to re-evaluate the gunfire.









We killed 8 bucks this year all 4-7yr old deer not one will make 120


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852283
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Ok guys-

For reference, here’s a similar pic angle of one I killed a few weeks ago.

What’s he score?

We’ll find out who’s good at scoring from 1 pic.

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