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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Goatkiller] #3852292
02/03/23 11:17 AM
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120 inch deer = Something like 16 spread, 20 inch mains and 8 inch G2s.

This is a math. I am 100% correct. If mass is 3-3.5 you are going to score lower but 8" G2s = small deer.

If you can't shoot that you have problems that's a 3 year old deer anywhere in AL - IMO.[/quote]

You can’t age a deer by antler growth anywhere especially in Alabama. I’ve hunted and managed some of the finest properties in west Alabama and generally there’s only a few 3 year olds that will break 120.


Job 12:7-9
Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852293
02/03/23 11:18 AM
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108 is what I got from that pic

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852294
02/03/23 11:19 AM
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I’m going with 100” give or take a few. Tine length and mass hurt him.


Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852296
02/03/23 11:20 AM
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blount county alabama
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[Linked Image]

I reckon all yall score specialist would call this one about 8ft long, big as your calf. Im betting the deer is about the same size as Lefthorns, maybe a hair bigger with a little more mass on its bases but not much bigger.

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852300
02/03/23 11:30 AM
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Wow. You either have a lot of jealous folks on this forum or folks don't have any idea how to score a deer.... Congrats to the hunter that bagged a damn fine buck.

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852301
02/03/23 11:34 AM
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94 for buckhunters

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852302
02/03/23 11:35 AM
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Spread means nothing. It’s a measurement of air. I can show you 20” wide deer that won’t break 100” and I can show 12-13” wide deer that go 150. I have never killed a deer wider than about 16” in Alabama.

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852303
02/03/23 11:37 AM
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I will only add that these comments speak volumes... as to why the age structure of our deer herd in Alabama is NOT where it needs to be. We have a major problem with people judging AGE #1. That's the biggest problem in this State.

A 5 year old symmetrical 8 pointer that doesn't reach 120 might be a trophy in your area.... but it's STILL a 120 inch deer.

This is math.

Sorry. But that's the answer. Whether or not you view that as a "Trophy" IS NOT what we are discussing. That is another conversation.

I believe every piece of dirt in Alabama can produce better than 120". Sorry - that's my opinion.


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: 2Dogs] #3852304
02/03/23 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Ben2
Originally Posted by Goatkiller
A symmetrical 120 inch deer is not a mature deer even in AL. A near basket rack IMO. Small ear width 8 pointer will get you almost there, however in AL mass is the issue. Those mass measurements seem small however they can add up if they carry some mass through their entire rack. But typically in AL rack is thin.

Let's ignore mass:

120 inch deer = Something like 16 spread, 20 inch mains and 8 inch G2s.

A very average deer for Alabama IMO..... if you aren't shooting up the woods you should have the opportunity to kill one every year. If you never see one of these you need to re-evaluate the gunfire.









We killed 8 bucks this year all 4-7yr old deer not one will make 120


Location, location, location.


His comment was a 120" deer was not mature in Alabama.

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852305
02/03/23 11:41 AM
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Or try this one. smile

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"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer."
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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852306
02/03/23 11:41 AM
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These are the type discussions that make the board better! Without the bickering of course…….I , like Ben have seen numerous deer and killed some that were 4 plus and 200 pounds that wouldn’t score 115….wish I had access to some of the property that you guys are seeing this on

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852311
02/03/23 11:51 AM
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I have hunted all over this State from Jackson to Hale to Henry and have never hunted a piece of dirt I did not think would produce better than 120.

Now, if you want to pick at me and refute that 120 inches or less can = Mature. You ARE RIGHT. There are lots of deer that make it to 5 and never see 120. I concede that. I have a 5 year old that wouldn't score 100 that lives by the house.

My point in that comment was simply that each and every hunter in this State each and every deer season should be able to have the opportunity to kill a 120 inch deer and I stand by this statement. That is not a big deer even by Alabama standards - also IMO. If it is where you are hunting OK , but that does not change anything for me.


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852314
02/03/23 11:56 AM
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Somebody has GOT to know this fella and can get more pics of FB or even a measurement to put all this to rest. Also, mandatory aldeer drug test Monday! laugh


Originally Posted by Johntravis89
There is 2 different high fence. 1 small and one big! Mine was free range in the big pen and was not a breeder buck. Why does it have to be twisted around??
Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852315
02/03/23 11:57 AM
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I want to say so much, but I'll just say this...although vague...

There are so many people out there who are real life vampires. So many of you are sucking the life out of hunting, fishing, and outdoor FUN in general. Truly pathetic!

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Jason Carroll] #3852317
02/03/23 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason Carroll
Wow. You either have a lot of jealous folks on this forum or folks don't have any idea how to score a deer.... Congrats to the hunter that bagged a damn fine buck.

You're right. And the only thing that matters in this entire thread is that it was one damn fine buck. I said what I said.

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Goatkiller] #3852320
02/03/23 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
I have hunted all over this State from Jackson to Hale to Henry and have never hunted a piece of dirt I did not think would produce better than 120.

Now, if you want to pick at me and refute that 120 inches or less can = Mature. You ARE RIGHT. There are lots of deer that make it to 5 and never see 120. I concede that. I have a 5 year old that wouldn't score 100 that lives by the house.

My point in that comment was simply that each and every hunter in this State each and every deer season should be able to have the opportunity to kill a 120 inch deer and I stand by this statement. That is not a big deer even by Alabama standards - also IMO. If it is where you are hunting OK , but that does not change anything.


I admire your optimism but I don’t think the average mature buck in AL will hit 120”.

I’m fortunate enough to hunt several really good tracts that have produced 150”+ deer.

This year on 6 different properties I didn’t have a single buck above 130”. One tract alone has/had four 5+ yr old bucks this season.

I’ll admit that a good portion of the blame lies on those shooting the 120”+ 3yr olds. But high grading young deer aside, I still don’t think the “average AL” buck will ever make 120”.

I hunted one property right next to my house so it was super convenient to run cams all season. In 5 years I never got a single pick of a 120”+ buck on that property. Note- I personally saw a 160” 10pt two miles from that spot, so I know larger deer were in the area but they didn’t use that 60-acre tract.


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852324
02/03/23 12:08 PM
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If that buck is only in the 120” range, I’m gonna tell my Taxidermist not to score the wide 10pt I killed. I’m gonna be very disappointed in the score. Not that score matters. I have never had a buck scored before.


It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.


Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852325
02/03/23 12:09 PM
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You might be right. I'd love to find out. I am not the kind of person that thinks everyone has to agree with me.


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852335
02/03/23 12:27 PM
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In the 3 counties I’ve done most of my hunting I’m tickled to death with 120” deer and I’ve only killed a handful that are 16 inches wide or wider, most of what I consider big deer on our places are 12-15 inches wide no matter how old they get



Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852349
02/03/23 12:45 PM
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Goatkiller is spot on........ thumbup


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