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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852637
02/03/23 05:45 PM
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I can show you (2) 6+ year olds that won’t break 120 and 2 five year olds that will dance all over 150. They come from the same property. I can also show you 3 year olds that will dance all over 120 and 3 years olds that won’t break 80. I think the data goatkiller gave is inaccurate. By the way none of these deer are wider than 15”.


I say that to say this. You have to have genetics and age but to say that any property in Alabama can produce 120s is true but to me the consistently is what makes a difference.

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: coach2] #3852638
02/03/23 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by coach2
108 is what I got from that pic


Winner winner

109 6/8”

He’s in my opinion what the “average” mature AL buck is. I only shot him b/c of age, definitely not rack size. Hoping a younger buck will more potential will take his place.

4” bases 19.5” beams

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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852676
02/03/23 06:46 PM
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Buckhunter2, I’m not trying to be rude so please do not take it that way. I’m just trying to understand the point you are making because sometimes things get lost in translation. Were you asking aldeer to score that buck to see how many would get it correct just by a pic, or do you think the deer you posted and the op’s pic are similar in size?


I may have missed something, I’ll admit that I haven’t read every comment in this thread.

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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Hevishot13] #3852725
02/03/23 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hevishot13

Buckhunter2, I’m not trying to be rude so please do not take it that way. I’m just trying to understand the point you are making because sometimes things get lost in translation. Were you asking aldeer to score that buck to see how many would get it correct just by a pic, or do you think the deer you posted and the op’s pic are similar in size?


I may have missed something, I’ll admit that I haven’t read every comment in this thread.



My take was seeing if anyone would get the score correct from a picture.


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852746
02/03/23 07:58 PM
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I guess this one to be 125ish. Only measured the G2s and they’re a little over 12” and main beams were 21.5

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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852751
02/03/23 08:01 PM
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The deer in the original post will score right around 137"


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852752
02/03/23 08:01 PM
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This one will throw you a bit. G2s both over 11”. The mass on his right side was 15”.

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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Hevishot13] #3852759
02/03/23 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hevishot13

Buckhunter2, I’m not trying to be rude so please do not take it that way. I’m just trying to understand the point you are making because sometimes things get lost in translation. Were you asking aldeer to score that buck to see how many would get it correct just by a pic, or do you think the deer you posted and the op’s pic are similar in size?

I may have missed something, I’ll admit that I haven’t read every comment in this thread.


No worries! Heck no I don’t think my deer is even remotely close to the caliber of that deer.

The point I was trying to make is how hard it is to score a deer from a single pic. In only 3 guesses, one was 14” off on a 110” deer.

I think the buck in the OP’s pic will scare 140”. The mass is incredible and the tine length is above average.


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: buckhunter2] #3852773
02/03/23 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by buckhunter2
Originally Posted by Hevishot13

Buckhunter2, I’m not trying to be rude so please do not take it that way. I’m just trying to understand the point you are making because sometimes things get lost in translation. Were you asking aldeer to score that buck to see how many would get it correct just by a pic, or do you think the deer you posted and the op’s pic are similar in size?

I may have missed something, I’ll admit that I haven’t read every comment in this thread.


No worries! Heck no I don’t think my deer is even remotely close to the caliber of that deer.

The point I was trying to make is how hard it is to score a deer from a single pic. In only 3 guesses, one was 14” off on a 110” deer.

I think the buck in the OP’s pic will scare 140”. The mass is incredible and the tine length is above average.



Gotcha. Thats what I assumed. There’s some on here comparing their 115-120” deer to the OP’s buck pic and claiming they’re the same size, which they’re not.

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852802
02/03/23 08:41 PM
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Nobody on this site has seen anything but one bad picture of the deer that definitely presents its rack to be bigger than it is. Thats a fact. Nobody knows what it scoted. But theres sure alot of folks on here who are pretty sure about it from one bad picture. Im afraid the lying media has destroyed all of us.

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Hevishot13] #3852932
02/03/23 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Hevishot13
Originally Posted by buckhunter2
Originally Posted by Hevishot13

Buckhunter2, I’m not trying to be rude so please do not take it that way. I’m just trying to understand the point you are making because sometimes things get lost in translation. Were you asking aldeer to score that buck to see how many would get it correct just by a pic, or do you think the deer you posted and the op’s pic are similar in size?

I may have missed something, I’ll admit that I haven’t read every comment in this thread.


No worries! Heck no I don’t think my deer is even remotely close to the caliber of that deer.

The point I was trying to make is how hard it is to score a deer from a single pic. In only 3 guesses, one was 14” off on a 110” deer.

I think the buck in the OP’s pic will scare 140”. The mass is incredible and the tine length is above average.



Gotcha. Thats what I assumed. There’s some on here comparing their 115-120” deer to the OP’s buck pic and claiming they’re the same size, which they’re not.

I know give or take a few inches what mine scored. It was around 130 according to my 15 yr olds rough measurements I figured 127-130. But I didn’t make a pic trying to make it look 140 I was thrilled to kill one that size.


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: cartervj] #3852939
02/03/23 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by cartervj
This one will throw you a bit. G2s both over 11”. The mass on his right side was 15”.

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121 but in that picture it doesn’t look like it….no offense……I wouldn’t have given it that much mass but it could be a little wider than I’m giving it from the angle of the picture

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3852981
02/04/23 06:25 AM
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Spread is 15 4/8 wide but G2s are 10 7/8 on right and left is 11 2/8.
The guy is like 6’3 and huge hands, thought I’d reverse the scenario.


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: cartervj] #3853034
02/04/23 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by cartervj
Spread is 15 4/8 wide but G2s are 10 7/8 on right and left is 11 2/8.
The guy is like 6’3 and huge hands, thought I’d reverse the scenario.



15.5
19
19
11
11
29 mass
4
3
6
6

123 ?

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3853055
02/04/23 08:11 AM
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Beams are 21 and 20.5

We didn’t get exact with it but right side is weaker side. We were around 130 with a cloth tape. We didn’t measure every measurement. Just the ones I’ve mentioned. I thought it would be 125 looking at it. I think mass is what carried it. We had 30 for mass since left side was stronger. Left base was a few eights more so we ran with it.

Just looking at the pic Id only guess 115-120 and think I was being generous.
With exact proper measuring it probably would be 128ish gross


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3853056
02/04/23 08:13 AM
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This thread is actually fun for me no matter who is right. Take a look at this 8 pt (with 1 kicker) that has already been scored and let's see what you guys come up with. He is not meant to compare to the OP deer at all. EDIT: You have to know that where this deer is from, a buck's ears are about 7" long and 18" tip to tip. Also, this is not a funky camera trick photo and the hunter is 6'2", 210 lbs. The deer is exactly the same weight as the hunter.

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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3853068
02/04/23 08:31 AM
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Sure are lots opinions on a pic off spacebook. Someone get a tape . Problem solved . There is enough detectives on here to track guy down that shot him and pay him a visit . Lol


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Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: jwalker77] #3853072
02/04/23 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Nobody on this site has seen anything but one bad picture of the deer that definitely presents its rack to be bigger than it is. Thats a fact. Nobody knows what it scoted. But theres sure alot of folks on here who are pretty sure about it from one bad picture. Im afraid the lying media has destroyed all of us.

You speak a lot of truth JWalker. I enjoy this thread because I have to score a lot of bucks, from pictures and on the hoof before a hunter pulls the trigger. I would say 9 out of 10 people will overestimate one until he is on the ground in front of them. That is true IF they are hunting familiar ground. Throw them into an area where body size is much larger than what they are used to and they will underestimate. The reverse is true as well. Smaller bodied deer will fool the crap out of you. Most people on here probably don't give a shucks and I completely understand that. I was that way for most of my life and still am unless I am hunting where it matters.

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: Skullworks] #3853083
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Remember the good ol days when nobody gave a crap what a deer scored? You were just happy to see or get one. I miss those days....

Re: Absolute Toad of a buck [Re: daylate] #3853092
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Originally Posted by daylate
This thread is actually fun for me no matter who is right. Take a look at this 8 pt (with 1 kicker) that has already been scored and let's see what you guys come up with. He is not meant to compare to the OP deer at all. EDIT: You have to know that where this deer is from, a buck's ears are about 7" long and 18" tip to tip. Also, this is not a funky camera trick photo and the hunter is 6'2", 210 lbs. The deer is exactly the same weight as the hunter.

[Linked Image]

Heck of a deer 143 for me!!! Tough to tell with straight on picture if you ask me! But a stud!

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