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Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Jakethesnake] #3930625
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Originally Posted by Jakethesnake
That's interesting and they probably are hired with our tax money. We should have never messed with this mess. Just like 95% of everything else we have put our nose in. Only reason why we are meddling in these wars is so the elites can turn a profit. If we really wanted to help and protect people then we would have fixed our Mexican border decades ago. BS way to steal our tax money and distract us


1000%. When things don’t make sense ask the simple question. Who is getting the money and the power. Things start making sense then.

Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Irishguy] #3930627
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These are the asshats that are pushing for this insanity.



Killing Russian young men is the best money that we have ever spent. Smiling like Satan as he says it.



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Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Irishguy] #3930628
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There are reports now that Wagner has agreed to stand down and return to the war in Ukraine.

Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Irishguy] #3930637
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Tin foil hat theory: Missile strike on Wagner Group was a false flag operation carried out by the CIA. Feathers got ruffled and they just now figured out the “who done it” before hostilities increased. CIA is going back to the drawing board to figure out how to ramp up military hostilities in this conflict.

Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: CeeHawk37] #3930645
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Originally Posted by CeeHawk37
Tin foil hat theory: Missile strike on Wagner Group was a false flag operation carried out by the CIA. Feathers got ruffled and they just now figured out the “who done it” before hostilities increased. CIA is going back to the drawing board to figure out how to ramp up military hostilities in this conflict.


Either it was the CIA, MI6, or some very crafty Ukrainians. Regardless, now there is even more distrust among the Russian chain of command and leadership, and more internal instability in Russia. So I guess that is a partial mission accomplished.


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Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Irishguy] #3930671
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First it was our fault for causing the Russians to invade Ukraine which led to them getting their butt kicked
Now it's our fault that Russia is likely to get their butt kicked by other Russians.
Lol


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Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Irishguy] #3930674
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Those young men are soldiers that invaded another country. Killing civilians. I'm glad they're dieing and I hope they burn in hell. Best money we ever spent, bar none!
Pinochet was right

So was Patton
"The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European but an Asiatic and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese and, from what I’ve seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and is an all out son of a bitch, a barbarian, and a chronic drunk."

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Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Beer Belly] #3930679
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Originally Posted by Beer Belly
Originally Posted by Irishguy
I remember when there were many people on this forum saying the entire war in Ukraine was all fake.


No body EVER said that the war was "fake". Everyone with any sense said that it was a money laundering situation & that NATOs continual encroachment, staging a coup in Ukraine in 2014, and continually killing of people that identify as Russian in the Donbas was as responsible for the invasion as is Putin. Russia does NOT want an easy path for another invasion force to enter their country. They lost ~20% of their young men (DEAD) in WWII when Germany invaded them and no telling how many more were injured. In WWII probably 1/2 their young men were killed or injured. They are a little paranoid to invasion from Europe, so they want neutral buffer countries between themselves and NATO.

This Wagner rebellion is 1 of 2 things:
1) Western propaganda
2) We bought out the Wagners with some of that $6 billion accounting error

Amazingly this all happens while Hunter is getting a slap on the wrist for a gun felony, bribes to the Bidens are being exposed, etc.


Yep all lies. Deep state ain’t gonna win in the end and that’s what it’s all about. Gonna come to a breaking point aka nuclear scare before the show is over. Get rid of the federal reserve pedophile evil sonofabitches and put everyone on a more even playing field backed by gold not fiat which at this point ain’t worth the paper it’s on. People tired of all this crooked shitt. Also the two tiered justice system is showing some that don’t already know what’s going on. U can’t have a republic or democracy with a system like that. Wanna take ur gas stoves make u Drive electric cars while telling u not to run ur ac or other appliances that u paid for because of the grid that u pay for. It’s all gonna crash on that front. Telling people in texas this again this summer. It’s all gonna flip but won’t be fun getting there.

Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Whiskey9] #3930937
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Originally Posted by Whiskey9
There are reports now that Wagner has agreed to stand down and return to the war in Ukraine.



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Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Irishguy] #3930948
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As of now there are about 35K Wagner mercenaries, many released from prison, heavily armed (tanks, missiles, AA ect), they have had good training, and are highly pissed that their leader has been bought off and left them. They either sign contracts with the Russian army knowing that they will most likely be sent to prison or killed by the government for rebelling. That or die fighting the Uks. Russia has a long history of extended gulag visits for anyone remotely thought to be opposition. And these guys were on the way to taking Moscow. Not something to be forgiven.

Options :

1. Contract with the Russian .gov. continue fighting the Uks

2. #1 means to disarm.

3. If disarmed then be at complete mercy of the .gov

4. Don't disarm then simply go rogue. Just what the countryside needs. Back to the mercenaries in the 1500s Europe. Why not take a nuke facility and hold Europe hostage? Pay or we set it off. If I was in their situation I would not go quietly into the night.

This is a damn mess.


Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Irishguy] #3930988
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Yep
This is getting really interesting
From what I understand the President of Belarus brokered the deal and the owner/leader of Wagner Group has been exiled to Belarus
It’s almost certain he received a large sum
It’s almost certain he’ll be taken out soon
I wonder if Vlad was shaking in his shoes when they were coming to Moscow ??


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Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Irishguy] #3930994
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During this mess Wagner took out 30+ Russian fighter jets and a bunch more helo's. Yes they have plenty of anti-air craft weaponry. Vlad is now seen as much weaker than he was before and it likely is the turning point toward a reorganization of the Russian government.


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Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Irishguy] #3931064
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Pay attention everybody! This is interesting and doesn't directly involve us but is potentially serious history in the making. A lot of speculation that the Wagner guy will end up assassinated in Belarus. Of course, if he thinks this is true look for him to try to take Putin out.


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If they whack the Wagner boss then all serious hell will break out it Russia.


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Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Irishguy] #3931073
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What's interesting is no one in RU seemed to give two chits about what was going on.

Big blowhard warlord mercernary oligarch riding to the capitol to depose-fight-bluster with the dictator?

Meh. Everyone shrugged. The military let them pass pretty much uninterrupted. RU services and administrative shrugged. "Oh? OK, whatever."

Not a good look for Vlad, in many ways.


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Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Irishguy] #3931074
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I would be shocked if the Wagner guy is still alive after a month or two. Putin simply can not tolerate him being allowed to live. It would embolden more similar behavior by his other internal enemies. Lukashenko is a Russian puppet, so once the order comes in from Putin, he’ll have to carry it out. I suppose he could find a way to flee to some sort of African or South American country and live out in the boonies for rest of his days.

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Originally Posted by Skinny
If they whack the Wagner boss then all serious hell will break out it Russia.

Yup


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Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: M48scout] #3931082
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Originally Posted by M48scout
I would be shocked if the Wagner guy is still alive after a month or two. Putin simply can not tolerate him being allowed to live. It would embolden more similar behavior by his other internal enemies. Lukashenko is a Russian puppet, so once the order comes in from Putin, he’ll have to carry it out. I suppose he could find a way to flee to some sort of African or South American country and live out in the boonies for rest of his days.



Wagner helped 3-4 African countries with coups and such. Emil still has friends there and could hide away, until the warlords there decided they're tired of his chit and demands and reminders about his mineral rights they gave him for the coup. Vlad knows he could call a warlord or two and have things taken care of.


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Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Clem] #3931088
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Originally Posted by Clem


What's interesting is no one in RU seemed to give two chits about what was going on.

Big blowhard warlord mercernary oligarch riding to the capitol to depose-fight-bluster with the dictator?

Meh. Everyone shrugged. The military let them pass pretty much uninterrupted. RU services and administrative shrugged. "Oh? OK, whatever."

Not a good look for Vlad, in many ways.


Especially since it was reported that Vlad tucked tail and jumped in a plane and evacuated from the capital, shortly after it was made public that the Wagner boss had gathered his troops and left Ukraine headed toward Moscow.

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Re: Wagner Group Situation is Getting Interesting... [Re: Irishguy] #3931101
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Prigozhin gave up too easily it would seem and this has me thinking that all of this might a part of several sets of Russian chess moves. Here are the chess moves laid out...

1. Remember Vlad has already sent nukes to Belarus. That happened a few weeks ago.
2. Belarusian leader Lukashenko has mysteriously flown to Turkey. (If he was useful to Putin he would have already committed troops by bow and attacked Ukraine in "Defense of the Motherland," but he hasn't.)
3. Prigozhin is moving to Belarus as part of "The Deal."
4. Prigoshin wants the war run differently. He doesn't think the Russian military leadership is doing enough to win the war. He would love to nuke Ukraine.

According to all reports those above things are true.

Now here's where the speculation comes in, so bear with me... What if?

1. Prigozhin takes over military operations in Belarus and opens a new front with Ukraine.
2. Rumors are floating around that when the "Ukrainian Russian Patriot" brigade went across the border into Belgorod that they stole tactical nuclear weapons and brought them back to Ukraine. Probably artillery rounds if I had my guess.
3. Belarus attacks from the north with Prigozhin riding herd.
4. Ukraine supposedly "responds" to the attack by firing a tactical nuke at Belarus.
5. Belarus responds to the "Ukrainian nuclear attack" by nuking Kiev.
6. Russians can claim plausible deniability, because it was Belarus that fired off the nuke in "self-defense."
7. Russians look up from the chess board at the western leaders and say, "Check! Your move USA and Western Europe..."

I may be giving the Russian brain trust too much credit, but this is the kind of thing they would do and it would certainly make a good season of Jack Ryan. grin

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