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Re: hey matt
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07/08/23 09:20 AM
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i been going through cam pictures , 1000's of them . seems like theres a big difference in antlers from 3 years old to 4 year old . why such a jump in just those two years or is my thinking just wrong ? A deers skeletal structure and muscle mass are not fully done utilizing the majority of nutrients until 4-5 years old. That’s typically why deer peak in antler growth at 5-7 years of age. More nutrients are going to antler development instead of body mass. That jump at 3-4 is usually one of the most in terms of inches gained. The growth from 4-5 and 5-6 can also result in tremendous gains once the body is fully mature.
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Re: hey matt
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07/08/23 10:24 AM
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https://imgur.com/a/OCeEsOYI’ve been remodeling and just rehung these two deer. My wife’s 9 and my 8 from year before last. I just realized how much bigger the head is on hers, 1.5” taller and 1” wider. Both I’d say we’re mature though. Thought it was interesting.
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Re: hey matt
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07/08/23 10:52 AM
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We had a 10 pt killed at our club that was 148” gross green scored last year. Cementum aging had him at 4. I had pics of him the year before and the antler growth from 3 to 4 was crazy. He was a 10 pt at 3 but the mass he had at 4 was incredible. He probably scored 115-120 at 3. That’s impressive. The most I’ve seen a native free range deer do in AL was 115” at 3 to 153” at 4. That’s quite a jump, and I honestly think he’d been close to a B&C had he made it to 5. They usually pick up a lot of mass at 4-5.
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Re: hey matt
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07/08/23 11:06 AM
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We had a 10 pt killed at our club that was 148” gross green scored last year. Cementum aging had him at 4. I had pics of him the year before and the antler growth from 3 to 4 was crazy. He was a 10 pt at 3 but the mass he had at 4 was incredible. He probably scored 115-120 at 3. That’s impressive. The most I’ve seen a native free range deer do in AL was 115” at 3 to 153” at 4. That’s quite a jump, and I honestly think he’d been close to a B&C had he made it to 5. They usually pick up a lot of mass at 4-5. Matt the cementum aging might be off but it was graded at an A so it should’ve been really accurate. The pics I had of him at what we thought was 3 he looked very much like a 3 year old body wise. It surprised all of us when he scored 148. But he was crazy heavy. A 153” 4 year old is nuts.
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Re: hey matt
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07/08/23 03:43 PM
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Any taxidermist will tell you they know a “mature” deer (5+) when they cut across section into the skull. They’re skeletal thickness is measurably different than younger deer. That I noticed a long time ago . I often said I bet there a way to age a buck by skull thickness
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Re: hey matt
[Re: Mbrock]
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07/08/23 03:48 PM
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i been going through cam pictures , 1000's of them . seems like theres a big difference in antlers from 3 years old to 4 year old . why such a jump in just those two years or is my thinking just wrong ? A deers skeletal structure and muscle mass are not fully done utilizing the majority of nutrients until 4-5 years old. That’s typically why deer peak in antler growth at 5-7 years of age. More nutrients are going to antler development instead of body mass. That jump at 3-4 is usually one of the most in terms of inches gained. The growth from 4-5 and 5-6 can also result in tremendous gains once the body is fully mature. Saw a series of antlers at a pheasant outfit in South Dakota the owner had picked up from the same buck every year for five years. The jump from age 3 to 4, as you said, was astonishing. More than 20 inches. And then again between 4 and 5, into the 170s. The owner was targeting him that coming season as a 6yo and believed he'd be up in the high 180s or more. I never found out if he tipped him over. That buck the holy trio, too: food/habitat, genes and trigger restraint that led to age.
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Re: hey matt
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07/08/23 03:51 PM
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Matt ,, thats what my pictures show . I had a 7 point that grew mass at 4 and 5 at 6 he he added mass and another point and it evened him up on both side to make him a 8 point
I know it was buck because of a scare on his left side.. seems like the top out at 6 here
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Re: hey matt
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07/08/23 04:54 PM
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I believe this if you gonna kill a buck at 3 might as well kill them as a spike .
Killing one just cause the guy next door might kill it is just screwing your own self
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Re: hey matt
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07/08/23 04:55 PM
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Most of the time yes, but I’ve seen some grow out of pedicle injury and sport a dang nice symmetrical rack. I thought I’d read or heard that once a pedicle was damaged that a buck never had a chance to recover from that injury…
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Re: hey matt
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07/08/23 04:56 PM
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Most of the time yes, but I’ve seen some grow out of pedicle injury and sport a dang nice symmetrical rack. I thought I’d read or heard that once a pedicle was damaged that a buck never had a chance to recover from that injury… That’s not true. The severity and location of the injury determines that.
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Re: hey matt
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07/08/23 06:22 PM
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Have you ever saw or been a part of replacement rates studies?
I’d think that factors in too.
Read about replacement rates by age class and was intriguing
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Re: hey matt
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07/08/23 07:37 PM
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https://imgur.com/a/OCeEsOYI’ve been remodeling and just rehung these two deer. My wife’s 9 and my 8 from year before last. I just realized how much bigger the head is on hers, 1.5” taller and 1” wider. Both I’d say we’re mature though. Thought it was interesting. Dang Fine Bucks there globe... ![thumbup thumbup](/forum/images/graemlins/default/grinning-smiley-003.gif) I'd say ya'll had a pretty good yr... ![beers beers](/forum/images/graemlins/default/beer-1.gif) Are those Bama bucks?...j/c...
Did you know that Beer Nutz are over a Dollar...and Deer Nutz are under a Buck...
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