Leg and brisket is where the most unrecovered gun mortality comes from

That was what I was saying it was taken as south I guess

I’m not for banning anything because that opens the door for more regulation. To me it has to be self regulation or agreed upon set of rules that does what fits ur region and harvest rules. To me that would seem easier. It doesn’t address the guy with 40 acres but u will never fix that no matter what happens. Clubs could regulate themselves on a vote. If u let the dncr do any regulating or government it will always be give an inch and they take a mile. If ur club says no cell cam or corn then u vote and if it doesn’t turn out how u vote u go find another club or go with the flow. I don’t believe in huge doe harvest and when I hunted a bunch I just didn’t shoot them even though I could have. That’s how it needs to be a choice or club rule not government rule

Well that’s exactly how it is now. Doesn’t seem to be working.

This is probably the pro-freedom answer. Add to that actual promotion of hunter ethics in the annual regs publication and hunter safety courses.

This idea of some places struggling with population growth was also part of my thinking with putting in the “No does until Nov 1” part……I know some folks probably don’t understand that one……

You’re going to have folks who are going to say……”Ive seen plenty of fawns make it after being orphaned, its not that big of a deal.”……..Well, you could be right in that 8 out of 10 will make it……which also means we’ve lost 20%.......There’s a good portion of this state where fawns don’t drop until late Aug and are only 6-8 weeks old when the season starts…….There’s also a lot of fawns that are born to late bred does all across the state on a second or even third cycle…..probably even more so with an over harvesting of bucks……..

If we agree that we need to pull back the reigns on doe harvesting then let this be one of the places where we take an inch…..There's nothing that says we have to implement doe days in the exact same way as we traditionally did.......This is just another form of it...…Maybe that saves us 5 or 10% on fawn recruitment…….Lord knows with the coyote situation we have now those fawns need all the help they can get.

CNC most of the hunters I know and talk to don’t want to kill does. They do it because they think it’s necessary. IF limiting doe harvest is something that needs to be done, I don’t think it would take much to convince them to stop. Not sure they would trust what the DCNR says, but a private biologist might could. Just got to undo the “QDMA 1 doe per 200 acres each year” line of thinking that has been engrained into everyone. Myself included. Maybe Matt could do a few tik toks for you and get them to go viral.

CNC. I get to where I can have a garden without a electric fence I'd be happy and still have plenty of deer .

I'm not hurting for does and fawns here . I wish they could still kill two does a day here

How would a real-time game camera ban be enforced?

Matt and cnc know more than I do about it so I’m not sure if anyone’s opinion means anything cause I don’t think we get a say anyway. They just go from year to year and say here are the rules without some kinda input or vote which leads to just having to self regulate in ur region best u can. Money and power run everything at the end of the day and until those in the circle that make the decisions are affected nothing changes wether u want it or not. When they start seeing changes at their big tracks with big bucks and turkeys all of a sudden u will see a new rule wether it’s more or less. That’s how they roll.

If someone would show us the annual number of deer/vehicle collisions for the state of Alabama for the last 30 years it would be really helpful in having a better perspective on where we sit right now in relation to carrying capacity. As you push populations closer to the limits of carrying capacity deer begin expanding outward more and more during lean times which increases road mortality…….that’s true in reverse as well……the lower the population in relation to carrying capacity the less outward push and road mortality goes down. Being able to look at that rate over time would give you a lot of insight into what populations are doing currently statewide. Having it put into a GIS map showing where each collision occurred (the density) would be even better…….Somebody will say that they saw a bunch of dead ones last year but without any historical reference to the last 20 or 30 years then we don’t know what “a lot” really looks like.

We could stop shooting does tomorrow and the result would be that populations would grow until they started spilling out into the roadways more and more…….road mortality would sky rocket and take our place as second to coyotes in buffering population growth…..generally speaking anyways across the broad picture. One of the main reasons we shoot does is to reduce that outward push that occurs from “growth” and the ensuing large numbers of insurance claims that would come from 50, 60, or 70,000+ deer dying in the skreets each year. We killed something like 93,000 does this year. Imagine if a bulk of that was all being done by cars on the road instead of hunters.

I think we’re a long ways off from that end of the extreme though. We’re way down on the other end of the spectrum saying “Hey we need to go back that other direction, at least some.” There IS a balance there that should be considered long term(with farming too)…..but we’ve likely reduced growth down to the point in most areas that road mortality isnt really even a blip on the radar. I believe that was even Ikillbux’s exact words. You really need there to be something like a “tolerable threshold” that’s used as an indicator of deer populations doing well…..with hunters keeping levels pushed back to that threshold and not back to “nary a blip on the radar”.

So yeah I think there’s some room for bumping population numbers up as part of the solution to some of these issues we’re talking about.

fairest thing they could have ever done was not legalized baiting .that was nothing but a money thing . it helped the deer in no way . it helped the wardens in no way .

next thing was extending the season . it help the deer in no way .

and nobody has shown me where game check has helped the deer .


their main concern should be helping the animals not helping hunters kill more . just how i see it .

Legalizing corn did help the wardens. It freed them up tremendously from what I’ve heard. When it was illegal there were thousands of complaints “ my neighbors baiting”. Back that with only a handful of wardens and having to check public boat ramps and docks as a normal routine. They had no time to do anything.

It's still only legal if you buy the permit. Otherwise 100yds away and not in sight.