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Re: Neanderthals and Humans [Re: jwalker77] #3950698
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
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What are we up to now, 6008 years?

According t the scientists a few years ago it was 8 billion, today the latest estimate was 13.8 billion. So, in a decade the universe has aged 5.8 billion years, that is assuming all the scientists agree, which they dont. But the word of God dont change, has not nor will not. It is what it is. Scientists have not yet devised an accurate method of determiningbthe age of one rock, yet they try to announce the age of all the universe. Thats kinda odd to me.


So 45,000+ denominations is from all that agreement? Glad the one in your neighborhood is the only correct one.

I said God Joe. I did not mention denominations. The word of God dont change. And i also never stated the church where i am a member has 100% of everything correct. The things i said are the truth. Scientists do not agree on the age of the earth. There is no reliable way to age a rock. If we are going to debate a subject, lets atleast stick to what was actually said.


The Earth and universe are a certain age. All the arguments aren’t going to change the reality of whatever that age is. Show me the verse where God said the age of the Earth and the age of the universe are _______. You can’t do it, because it’s not there. Or is it hidden in the genealogies and it took people 1500 years to figure it out (except not everyone agrees) based on the scripture that didn’t change over that time span? (That’s why I mentioned disagreements within the church and denominations)

So do you want all scientists to agree or disagree? If “all scientists” agree on a vaccine then it’s the democrats trying to kill us. If “all scientists” don’t agree, then we’re all idiots. Which is it?

Maybe numbers have changed because we have more information now? It was around 1925 before we had any evidence that there were galaxies outside of our Milky Way. Radiometric dating wasn’t discovered/utilized until the 1950s. It was 1995 when Hubble peered into the empty night sky to reveal thousands of galaxies in just a small portion of the sky. The James Webb Telescope now sees deeper into the heavens than Hubble. Should scientists not make any adjustments despite having a better picture now?

The statement that “there’s no reliable way to date a rock” is a bull-do-do. Just because you don’t understand it and/or don’t like the reality it presents, doesn’t mean it’s not legitimate.

I suppose part of my point is that you throw out science because ideas change (as more information is available), but speak as if religious viewpoints are rock solid since the Word of God is never changing.

Re: Neanderthals and Humans [Re: CNC] #3950701
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What kind of rock dating will age the same rock the same date twice in a row? The geneology in the Bible goes all the way from Adam to present date, that is a fact. The only space of time not defined clearly is the time Adam spent in the garden before he first sinned, thats when time started. That could have been one year, could have been a thousand years, i wont argue that because it dont say. It does however say during the six days of creation each day was one morning and night which does away with gap theory. And i do not throw away science. I use real science in about everything i do. That was another one of your false statements about me.

Re: Neanderthals and Humans [Re: jawbone] #3950703
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Originally Posted by jawbone
I believe there is a nexus between Evolution and Creationism that we just don't know yet that will explain everything. I think we will know this when we meet the Lord, in the meantime, He just wants us to have Faith and not let what we don't understand cause us to question Him.

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Re: Neanderthals and Humans [Re: CNC] #3950707
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Geology Dad Joke -- I've never dated a rock but I can figure out how old a rock is.
Archaeologists love Relative Dating but its only legal in Alabama and Arkansas.
Young hot rocks are easier to date than old cold rocks.


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Re: Neanderthals and Humans [Re: jwalker77] #3950712
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
What kind of rock dating will age the same rock the same date twice in a row? The geneology in the Bible goes all the way from Adam to present date, that is a fact. The only space of time not defined clearly is the time Adam spent in the garden before he first sinned, thats when time started. That could have been one year, could have been a thousand years, i wont argue that because it dont say. It does however say during the six days of creation each day was one morning and night which does away with gap theory. And i do not throw away science. I use real science in about everything i do. That was another one of your false statements about me.


“Real science” rofl aka, cherry-picked science that doesn’t challenge anything debatable

Re: Neanderthals and Humans [Re: Skinny] #3950713
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Originally Posted by Skinny
Geology Dad Joke -- I've never dated a rock but I can figure out how old a rock is.
Archaeologists love Relative Dating but its only legal in Alabama and Arkansas.
Young hot rocks are easier to date than old cold rocks.



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Re: Neanderthals and Humans [Re: CNC] #3950743
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There’s an awful lot of “Homos”……Either those other things arent humans or the original specie branched out and radically changed.....One of those has to be true....

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Re: Neanderthals and Humans [Re: Joe4majors] #3950751
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Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by jwalker77
What kind of rock dating will age the same rock the same date twice in a row? The geneology in the Bible goes all the way from Adam to present date, that is a fact. The only space of time not defined clearly is the time Adam spent in the garden before he first sinned, thats when time started. That could have been one year, could have been a thousand years, i wont argue that because it dont say. It does however say during the six days of creation each day was one morning and night which does away with gap theory. And i do not throw away science. I use real science in about everything i do. That was another one of your false statements about me.


“Real science” rofl aka, cherry-picked science that doesn’t challenge anything debatable


Aging rocks Joe. Is there a method that will age the same rock the same date twice in a row? You dont seem to want to answer that question. All you seem to want to do is make fun of things i say and say i say something i didnt say. Thats pretty common though. Real scientific.

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I just know that there are still Neanderthals alive in Dekalb and Cherokee County.

Re: Neanderthals and Humans [Re: jwalker77] #3950754
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by jwalker77
What kind of rock dating will age the same rock the same date twice in a row? The geneology in the Bible goes all the way from Adam to present date, that is a fact. The only space of time not defined clearly is the time Adam spent in the garden before he first sinned, thats when time started. That could have been one year, could have been a thousand years, i wont argue that because it dont say. It does however say during the six days of creation each day was one morning and night which does away with gap theory. And i do not throw away science. I use real science in about everything i do. That was another one of your false statements about me.


“Real science” rofl aka, cherry-picked science that doesn’t challenge anything debatable


Aging rocks Joe. Is there a method that will age the same rock the same date twice in a row? You dont seem to want to answer that question. All you seem to want to do is make fun of things i say and say i say something i didnt say. Thats pretty common though. Real scientific.


The answer is yes, and that is also how you verify if a method is actually working correctly. Thermoluminescence dating is verified by C14/13 dating which is also verified by Relative dating methods. Thermoluminescence is also verified KAr dating which correlates with Ui dating, Fission track dating, magnetic dating, Obsidian hydration dating, and some others. All of those dating methods were developed by Physicists and Chemists not Geologists and Archaeologists. Geo-Archs hire the Phys-Chems to date the samples and then make sense of the results.
The only dating methods Geo-Archs do themselves are relative dating methods involving stratigraphic dating, ascribed dating, and seriation.


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^^^this

Re: Neanderthals and Humans [Re: CNC] #3950797
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The thing is, nobody can prove how old any rock actually is. It is all an educated guess. Casting racial politics aside, if 1 million years from now a scientist analyzes an African skull, an Asian skull, and a Caucasion skull, by today's standards would he not conclude they are from three different species, just as is now the case with Neanderthals and homo sapens?

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I once worked with a Neanderthal….Ol boy looked just like Boris the animal from men in black


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Humans will always have a biased agenda tainting their "scientific" conclusions. I have zero doubts about that. Rest assured, every single scientist theorizing about something there is no proof of, has a preferred conclusion in mind.

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Archeologists and geologists have been systematically shut down by a lot of the woke crowd because we find a lot of stuff that contradicts the narrative.
Unfortunately, a lot of archeologists and geologists have embraced woke world for job security.
I have seen some archeologists go out of their way to find evidence of gay acceptance and proof of multicultural harmony in the artifact record. They can only find stuff that amounts to rare anecdotes but that is enough to get tenure these days.


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Radiometric dating is a joke. They tested rock formed by the eruption of Mt. St. Helen that was known to be only 10 years old at the time and it was "dated" at 340,000 to 2.8 million years old. It's total bullcrap. As are the other aspects of the old earth argument. If you want to see more of the scientific evidence, check out the Answers in Genesis website. It's extremely basic and simple to back date the age of the earth using the genealogies and dates of known events. God didn't have to say "on this day the earth was exact x years old" because he gave us very easy outlines to get to it. Either you have to believe the entire Bible is true and accept the Genesis account as literal, or you don't really have any basis to believe any of it. It's all or nothing.

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