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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: JustHunt]
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01/18/24 07:59 PM
01/18/24 07:59 PM
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Most likely? Doubtful. I’ve been hunting a long time. Yes there has always been some who used corn but it wasn’t in any way close to the amount being thrown out today. Ban corn.
This ^^^......The corn pile density is probably 100 times what it once was or more.....That is such a duh kinda thing that it makes me wonder if abolt has some kind of hidden agenda here. I just cant fathom how someone cant see that
Last edited by CNC; 01/18/24 08:00 PM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: CNC]
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01/18/24 08:03 PM
01/18/24 08:03 PM
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Mbrock
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Just had a guy call me from Tuskegee wanting me to track a deer he shot in town in his uncles back yard over a corn pile......I declined. That's how more deer get killed. Waaay more of that happening in north alabama due to the habitat fragmentation and higher hunter density across much larger areas. If you're not able to comprehend it then I cant explain any better to you Those are facts I agree with CNC. It’s happening at an alarming rate. Now everyone with a half acre, a corn pile and time can kill as many deer as the guy with 10000 acres of heavily managed property. Used to those folks didn’t kill much.
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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: JustHunt]
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01/18/24 08:04 PM
01/18/24 08:04 PM
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Backwards cowboy
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It amazes me the love that some have for corn. I guess it’s the easy way and it’s just the norm now. There are more deer killed now due to the usage of corn. The season has always been long and the deer heard used to be fairly healthy. The biggest difference I see is we used to only get a week to kill a doe. Now you get all season to throw out your corn and kill as many as you want. Ban corn. Make hunters have to actually hunt. By doing this we will lose hunters which will help the deer herd. There’s too many hunters now anyway.
And I use the term hunters loosely. We have a lot of shooters who sit over a feeder I not a lover of corn, im.just saying exactly what you you said, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS....we used to have a week to kill does and now we have 6 months......there's you BIGGEST problem!
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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: CNC]
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01/18/24 08:16 PM
01/18/24 08:16 PM
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Folks 2 miles from me have killed 27 does so far and not a single buck. They own a major drug chain
LUCK:::; When presistence, dedication, perspiration and preparation meet up with opportunity!!! - - - - - - - -A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have. Thomas Jeferson - - - - - - - -
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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: Mbrock]
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01/18/24 08:20 PM
01/18/24 08:20 PM
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I’ll just throw this out there, and it’s THE primary reason I no longer work for the DCNR. I fought it hard then and I’m going to continue to do so, but the additive mortality of the Feb extension in areas it’s not needed, with legalized baiting and technological advances in deer detection is an absolute disaster and will impact population dynamics for a long time. I know people who would not have killed deer, if it weren't for the aid of cell cams, so I agree it is an issue, but it's an age class and and quality issue. The population issue is because of the liberal doe harvest we have. That's just my opinion and I'm no expert.
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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: CNC]
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01/18/24 08:24 PM
01/18/24 08:24 PM
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I've often wondered why the recommendation hasn't been pitched to suspend doe harvest during and after the rut? Once the does are bred, looks like it would be a smart idea to keep them alive to keep from losing 2 or 3 deer per trigger pull. I realize it wouldn't work in extreme south AL that experiences the Feb rut, but for all other zones, it would have to have a positive recruitment effect.
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: CNC]
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01/18/24 08:35 PM
01/18/24 08:35 PM
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No agenda. I’ve run clubs and held big leases since the early 90s in multiple counties. Washington, Covington, Choctaw, Marengo, Wilcox, Clarke, Dallas. Smallest was around 800 acres, most 2000-3000 acres. When you control big pieces of property, you touch a lot of smaller surrounding properties. All were low membership and high member/acreage ratios, so it was a fairly controlled group of guys. Rare was the year that we didn’t kill multiple deer, on our managed, non-baited property, that showed up at our skinning shed full of corn. I’ve helped game wardens make a bunch of baiting cases over the years. Call it in and report it, show the GW where you think it is occurring and then let them access across my property to bust the neighbors baiting their smaller inferior property just across the line, who mistakenly thought the GW would have to come in off the highway, or by their house, the same way they were coming in. Lot more of it going on than people would think. If you didn’t control a big piece that touched a bunch of other parcels, you’d never know. Happened enough that I lost all faith in people actually following any of the game laws in this state. I’m sure others have similar experiences.
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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: abolt300]
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01/18/24 08:41 PM
01/18/24 08:41 PM
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No agenda. I’ve run clubs and held big leases since the early 90s in multiple counties. Washington, Covington, Choctaw, Marengo, Wilcox, Clarke, Dallas. Smallest was around 800 acres, most 2000-3000 acres. When you control big pieces of property, you touch a lot of smaller surrounding properties. All were low membership and high member/acreage ratios, so it was a fairly controlled group of guys. Rare was the year that we didn’t kill multiple deer, on our managed, non-baited property, that showed up at our skinning shed full of corn. I’ve helped game wardens make a bunch of baiting cases over the years. Call it in and report it, show the GW where you think it is occurring and then let them access across my property to bust the neighbors baiting their smaller inferior property just across the line, who mistakenly thought the GW would have to come in off the highway, or by their house, the same way they were coming in. Lot more of it going on than people would think. If you didn’t control a big piece that touched a bunch of other parcels, you’d never know. Happened enough that I lost all faith in people actually following any of the game laws in this state. I’m sure others have similar experiences. Only difference now is that they can pour out a truckload and don’t have to hide while doing it and hunting over it. The tonnage of corn is definitely more because they no longer have to be discreet about it. They were doing it plenty back then too but it was 5-50lbs at a time, not 500. But it still pulled deer and they still shot everything that showed up at the pile.
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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: abolt300]
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01/18/24 08:42 PM
01/18/24 08:42 PM
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Mbrock
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No agenda. I’ve run clubs and held big leases since the early 90s in multiple counties. Washington, Covington, Choctaw, Marengo, Wilcox, Clarke, Dallas. Smallest was around 800 acres, most 2000-3000 acres. When you control big pieces of property, you touch a lot of smaller surrounding properties. All were low membership and high member/acreage ratios, so it was a fairly controlled group of guys. Rare was the year that we didn’t kill multiple deer, on our managed, non-baited property, that showed up at our skinning shed full of corn. I’ve helped game wardens make a bunch of baiting cases over the years. Call it in and report it, show the GW where you think it is occurring and then let them access across my property to bust the neighbors baiting their smaller inferior property just across the line, who mistakenly thought the GW would have to come in off the highway, or by their house, the same way they were coming in. Lot more of it going on than people would think. If you didn’t control a big piece that touched a bunch of other parcels, you’d never know. Happened enough that I lost all faith in people actually following any of the game laws in this state. I’m sure others have similar experiences. Only difference now is that they can pour out a truckload and don’t have to hide while doing it and hunting over it. The tonnage of corn is definitely more because they no longer have to be discreet about it. They were doing it plenty back then too but it was 5-50lbs at a time, not 500 And cameras.
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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: CNC]
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01/18/24 08:43 PM
01/18/24 08:43 PM
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Neighbor owns a small strip behind me. They put out tons of corn
LUCK:::; When presistence, dedication, perspiration and preparation meet up with opportunity!!! - - - - - - - -A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have. Thomas Jeferson - - - - - - - -
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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: Mbrock]
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01/18/24 08:51 PM
01/18/24 08:51 PM
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Frankie
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I’ll just throw this out there, and it’s THE primary reason I no longer work for the DCNR. I fought it hard then and I’m going to continue to do so, but the additive mortality of the Feb extension in areas it’s not needed, with legalized baiting and technological advances in deer detection is an absolute disaster and will impact population dynamics for a long time. common scene they dont have . good luck hell im just a ole county boy that didnt finish the 10th grade and knew better . they've began to worry more about satisfying hunters than herd management .
Last edited by Frankie; 01/18/24 08:52 PM.
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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: abolt300]
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01/18/24 09:16 PM
01/18/24 09:16 PM
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Posts: 24,553 Awbarn, AL
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No agenda. I’ve run clubs and held big leases since the early 90s in multiple counties. Washington, Covington, Choctaw, Marengo, Wilcox, Clarke, Dallas. Smallest was around 800 acres, most 2000-3000 acres. When you control big pieces of property, you touch a lot of smaller surrounding properties. All were low membership and high member/acreage ratios, so it was a fairly controlled group of guys. Rare was the year that we didn’t kill multiple deer, on our managed, non-baited property, that showed up at our skinning shed full of corn. I’ve helped game wardens make a bunch of baiting cases over the years. Call it in and report it, show the GW where you think it is occurring and then let them access across my property to bust the neighbors baiting their smaller inferior property just across the line, who mistakenly thought the GW would have to come in off the highway, or by their house, the same way they were coming in. Lot more of it going on than people would think. If you didn’t control a big piece that touched a bunch of other parcels, you’d never know. Happened enough that I lost all faith in people actually following any of the game laws in this state. I’m sure others have similar experiences. I hear what you’re saying but cuz……..”multiple deer” is a whole lot different than ALL deer……I know what is going on, I go out in the woods and see it everyday on property after property after property……Probably like 95% of places have corn piles and feeders everywhere now. Its not just a little bit anymore…..We’re on a whole different wavelength than we used to be……It isnt just those few guys who border up to some big hunting club these days……Its virtually EVERY HUNTER……and in WAYYYY more places where its being poured out and deer being killed……..
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: Pwyse]
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01/18/24 09:26 PM
01/18/24 09:26 PM
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Ban greenfields too. And shooting houses. And scopes. And cover scents. Long Johns. Four wheelers. The new knives with the replacement blades that are so sharp. Oh and ban Sitka gear too.
People in other states have been hunting over bait for years. People in Alabama have been hunting over bait for years. Deer will be fine. You have an equation where there’s “deer produced” and “deer killed”……..There comes a point when you have to decide how we want to balance that equation and all of those variables add up and matter. Its pretty retarded just to make assumptions that “deer will be just fine” and we can do anything we want when we have the ability to understand math and understand that equation…..There comes a point where we have to adapt or go in the hole. It ludicrous and naive to even begin to act like legalized baiting hasn’t impacted the equation.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Doe numbers
[Re: CNC]
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01/18/24 09:28 PM
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cartervj
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No agenda. I’ve run clubs and held big leases since the early 90s in multiple counties. Washington, Covington, Choctaw, Marengo, Wilcox, Clarke, Dallas. Smallest was around 800 acres, most 2000-3000 acres. When you control big pieces of property, you touch a lot of smaller surrounding properties. All were low membership and high member/acreage ratios, so it was a fairly controlled group of guys. Rare was the year that we didn’t kill multiple deer, on our managed, non-baited property, that showed up at our skinning shed full of corn. I’ve helped game wardens make a bunch of baiting cases over the years. Call it in and report it, show the GW where you think it is occurring and then let them access across my property to bust the neighbors baiting their smaller inferior property just across the line, who mistakenly thought the GW would have to come in off the highway, or by their house, the same way they were coming in. Lot more of it going on than people would think. If you didn’t control a big piece that touched a bunch of other parcels, you’d never know. Happened enough that I lost all faith in people actually following any of the game laws in this state. I’m sure others have similar experiences. I hear what you’re saying but cuz……..”multiple deer” is a whole lot different than ALL deer……I know what is going on, I go out in the woods and see it everyday on property after property after property……Probably like 95% of places have corn piles and feeders everywhere now. Its not just a little bit anymore…..We’re on a whole different wavelength than we used to be……It isnt just those few guys who border up to some big hunting club these days……Its virtually EVERY HUNTER……and in WAYYYY more places where its being poured out and deer being killed…….. It’s not just baiting. Smaller places feed off of bigger well managed clubs We had a pasture on our NE aside and guys had always shot what ever they wanted and how many they wanted. When we came along they started wearing out those 2.5 yr old 8s. Bragged about how many there were killing. We also had guys bragging that they’d sneak on our club and hunt. It was like an in your face challenge when we showed up. What was funny they’re all gone but that club is still rocking along.
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