So how many people were all in on the game check the last 2 seasons and then this year said screw it, ain't worth it? You sure do make a ton of assumptions, most hunters are 0,1, 2 or 3...that's hilarious. I can't wait until next season when the numbers align with this seasons...

The rule is already that you can only kill three and its been that way for quite some time now…….Tags don’t change a thing as far that’s concerned.

No. He's comparing apples and space aliens 2 Dogs.

That's it! Space Aliens are manipulating the deer herd!

"Aliens just gotta feed their families too" Probably big time doe shooters too.

Again for the folks following along at home……It’s the change over time that we’re really watching in the Game Check numbers…..the trends. Just like how you can go back now and clearly see the impact on the graph from the two per day doe rule back in the day…..That’s all the numbers are really showing us. Some folks just over complicate it.

C'mon CNC. We dont know how many deer are being killed now with a formal "game check" system, with penalties in place. Explain to me exactly how the numbers were being accurately calculated between 1985 and 2010. The little hunter survey they mailed out mid summer that I was too busy to fill out and tossed in the garbage like 95% of the other hunters in the state. The old computer adage applies. "Garbage In equals Garbage Out".

C'mon CNC. We dont know how many deer are in the state to be killed or how many are being killed now, with a formal "game check" system, with penalties in place. Explain to me exactly how the harvest numbers were being accurately calculated between 1985 and 2010. The little hunter survey they mailed out mid summer that I was too busy to fill out and tossed in the garbage like 95% of the other hunters in the state? The old computer adage applies. "Garbage In equals Garbage Out".

I typed out a reply then deleted it. because I remembered it is like arguing with a toddler. CNC does this just to stir the pot. If he actually believed of his own crap he would do something with it besides post it here. Yall have fun.

No, he does literally believe he is God's gift to Alabama deer statistics...I can't believe the state biologists office hasn't seen his graphs and thrown a huge salary at him to come on board and right the ship.

I've been thinking the same thing , CNC takes his charts and grafts to a CAB meeting and dazzles them , they might fire Chucky on the spot !

Ok, I’m lost as hell on all this

QDMA bad…….., I think is one of the bullet points

Funny thing I know 3 clubs and landowner that has been doing QDM for many many years and at e highly successful and produce very consistent results. They kill depending on age for the most part. One club has been doing things that way since the 80s which is preQDMA. Their biologist set standard and they continually made changes. The next door neighbor has gone along with the clubs rules. Combined around 10k acres. The club I was in and ran started mid 90s and seeing some of their kills this year says they’re doing good. 6k acres.

They all kill more does than buck 2 to 1 or maybe some years 3 does to every buck. They all provide high quality fields. The one club burns every year probably several thousand acres. The club I was in does not burn because of varying landowners and timber production.

I can thinking several places that practice QDM and vary in size from several hundred acres to maybe a 1000 acres. My personal experiences and talks with hunters. The farm had 17 does killed and a few bucks. Deer showed up on cameras right after the season close. Trying to kill em all just doesn’t happen.

The big club and landowner I mention. They’ve been doing true grid coordinated camera surveys dating back to when you had to make your own camera. They ran it in a rather large grid and moved accordingly. Everything was scheduled out over the years so they have a ton of data that backs any decisions made.

I can only provide an opinion on our farm in Jackson county. It would only be based on game cameras, actual sightings, and actual harvest. Over the last 15 years we always have a lot of deer using the property. We decided way back then to go with a 8pt and better rule. The number of nice bucks we see really started being different about 4 years later. We kill on average 3 nice bucks a year. Big heavy racks and heavy bodies. We also shoot about 8-10 does each year. The last two years have been harder due to weather. Last year we had a rain about every weekend cycle and this year the ice. We have made significant habitat improvements over the years. My guess would be we don’t have less deer, we have more deer of a higher quality. But I can only speak for our place. Which may be different 5 miles down the road.

People that think they know how to manage a deer herd and the only part they hear is shoot all the does is what is bad. Right when they opened up the doe season club next to us killed 250 does in one season. Took 20 years to recover. It is still not back to what it was.

Heck, I still got bucks fighting. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I’ll contend you will do more damage to the overall herd health by having too many versus a so-called not enough does. Stressed out bucks without a diversified age class within the bucks is not good. Those clubs I mention prove it.

I’m not discounting small parcels of land acting like large parcels and it’s why QDMA advocated and promoted landowners working together in cooperatives to achieve like goals. Why that’s never spoken about is because folks need a whipping post to take it out on. That’s being truthful

It’s funny thing. I’ve seen guys jumping up and down about doe harvest and saying it hurt the herd and then watching same landowner having abundance of does coming off their property onto to yours. That’s why hunter sighting are ranked pretty low in actual management decisions. Also why I mentioned that large club that does actual gridded camera surveys not some random crap of camera’s interspersed. They’ve done this for 20 plus years, same grid pattern and timing and their data does not line up with hunter sightings. Somewhat kinda similar but still way different and leads to a different outcome

I will contend that these clubs have good bucks despite killing so many does not because of it. You said they did not shoot small bucks. That is your answer for having bigger bucks. Killing does does not make more or bigger bucks. Never has never will.
So called not enough does is going from seeing 15-20 deer every weekend. Killing good bucks every year. To seeing 5 deer a year and not a single decent buck. That is so-called not enough does. Thankfully that club next to us that fracked everything up saw the error in there ways and changed.. thi gs are better now. Just took it 20 years to recover.

Once again they kill does dependent on the camera surveys. I didn’t say they slaughtered does every year but the overall 40 yr average they killed more does than bucks. Somewhere around 2 does per buck.

They kept their overall population at or below carrying capacity. Years that EHD or blue tongue hit they’d back off and let them recovery.

You’re going full on doe slaughter BS the clubs I mention actually manage the deer herd. Your mindset says they don’t. CNC says they don’t yet they do. Looking at over 40 years of results that are documented and put into actual data that’s backs what they’re doing. You’re arguing against that fact. Go ahead.

On a side note, I never said some haven’t taken it too far before. They have, but it’s never been pushed hard by QDMA. Their mission statement always said to remove the imbalance of buck to die ratios. That puts the deer herd back into balance and a much healthier deer herd. That’s the first word in their organization.


Q for quality

On the club I ran we started with an overall low deer population because of the year around deer killing.

It did not take long to rebound because we had 5000 acres of mostly good deer habitat. Early successional cutovers in varying age classes with hardwood drains and bottoms. We had hardwoods ridges interposed in some areas. Those areas actually held the least number of deer

I thin a few year we had heavy browse lines and some hunters complaining so-n-so is killing too many does. I’m seeing any does

Another group, all I see is does

Another group, all I see is young bucks

Where did our 2.5 yr old 8 points go

Then there was some of us that killed mature bucks and does every year. Killed as many does as bucks or maybe more. Saw a very healthy herd of varying age classes and so forth

Hunter sightings vary greatly and often times is not factual because it’s based on EMOTIONS

We’ve been killing 28-40 does and between 8-12 bucks on 2200 acres for the last 17 years. It’s phenomenal hunting. Our habitat is great, the deer are healthy, recruitment is high, rut is intense, we still see plenty of deer. It’s amazing what keeping deer well within carrying capacity, and with a balanced ratio will do. Plus having a diverse age structure. No one except very large landowners can accomplish this, and is why I stress the importance of cooperative relationships with neighbors. The entire 2200 is not owned by one person or family. It’s a group effort with common objectives.

Go down the road a few miles to another property with poor habitat, more deer than it can support, reluctance to shoot does, and it’s like a totally different deer. Lower weights, lower recruitment, smaller antlers, but about the same age structure. High quality habitat and a trigger applied properly do in fact improve herd health and hunter satisfaction. It’s not a one size fits all though. Must be applied correctly.