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by jsubrett6. 11/10/24 12:49 PM
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: bamaeyedoc]
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02/15/24 03:46 PM
02/15/24 03:46 PM
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Man. The wheels are always turning ain’t they?!😂 Umm, that's one way to look at it.
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: CNC]
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02/15/24 04:37 PM
02/15/24 04:37 PM
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cartervj
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So here’s a question for y’all……Lets say we have the scenario below where we have a 2,000 acre hunting club surrounded by a bunch of smaller parcels as well as a farmer with a depredation permit……The hunting club doesn’t shoot a single doe off of their place……meanwhile the famer and the surrounding small properties blast away and “fill the freezer” with does……Will the hunting club become overpopulated?? It depends on what the 2000 acre club consist of and so forth You’re trying to cram a blanket statement into a very broad statement “what if” and “it depends” hole. Like QDMA advocated for, you must adjust your goals with what is happening on your place. As an individual or collective is where you start. Instead your trying to cram a square peg into a round hole.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: CNC]
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02/15/24 04:49 PM
02/15/24 04:49 PM
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cartervj
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Here’s some questions what’s the::::::;…..,
Habitat and carrying capacity
What’s the fawn recruitment rate
What other predators and how are you dealing with them
There is so many what ifs and nothing but varying opinions trying to dictate an overall game plan.
Yeah that’ll work.
There was studies and I don’t know outcomes or whatever but the idea was that a growing deer herd that was below carrying capacity has the best potential for antler expressions in mature buck. There was something to do with social status and competition amongst a diverse age class of bucks. Also the same with does. Healthier mature does have triplets and for sure twins. Young does have a single fawn. So a diverse age and close buck to die ratio is the most desirable deer herd. That has been proven over and over. The rest is just blathering at this point.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: CNC]
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02/15/24 05:32 PM
02/15/24 05:32 PM
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That’s exactly how my land looks EXCEPT I don’t have near that much land and there’s more lots.
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: globe]
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02/15/24 05:44 PM
02/15/24 05:44 PM
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That’s exactly how my land looks EXCEPT I don’t have near that much land and there’s more lots. That’s how a large portion of our landscape looks and the type scenario that most hunters are dealing with…..
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: CNC]
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02/15/24 05:59 PM
02/15/24 05:59 PM
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cartervj
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Cooperates is the answer then
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: Pwyse]
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02/15/24 06:32 PM
02/15/24 06:32 PM
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Depends on how much pressure is on the club. If a doe gets popped every time one walks out into the farm land, of course they will stay on the 2000 acres. Especially if this is happening when no one is on the club property like during the summer.
Will they be over populated? That depends on what you consider overpopulated.
I know if 3-4 guys were hunting that 2000 acres, and they did it right to keep pressure to a minimum, the deer would thrive there if they went about it right. But if you pile 10 people on it, and they are there every weekend riding 4 wheelers all over the place… yeah it’s going to struggle. Man times have changed I reckon. When did putting 10 people on 2000 acres become piling em in?? We have more than that on 2000 acres and we see deer all the time.
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: cartervj]
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02/15/24 06:36 PM
02/15/24 06:36 PM
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Cooperates is the answer then Doe days and DMAP
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: JustHunt]
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02/15/24 06:41 PM
02/15/24 06:41 PM
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Depends on how much pressure is on the club. If a doe gets popped every time one walks out into the farm land, of course they will stay on the 2000 acres. Especially if this is happening when no one is on the club property like during the summer.
Will they be over populated? That depends on what you consider overpopulated.
I know if 3-4 guys were hunting that 2000 acres, and they did it right to keep pressure to a minimum, the deer would thrive there if they went about it right. But if you pile 10 people on it, and they are there every weekend riding 4 wheelers all over the place… yeah it’s going to struggle. Man times have changed I reckon. When did putting 10 people on 2000 acres become piling em in?? We have more than that on 2000 acres and we see deer all the time. And that’s typical here in Alabama. I wasn’t saying you wouldn’t see any deer, I was just saying that pressure on the 2000 would definitely push more deer out to the surrounding properties. But yeah 200 acres per hunter is typical. I was in a club that had that ratio but one of our members owns about 260 beside it. It rarely gets pressure and he gets a lot more mature buck pics than we typically do. Not more mature bucks but more mature buck pics. Also one of the adjoining land owners is well off and he owns about 2k acres with no members hunting it. Just him and his dad. And they rarely kill. So there are a lot of deer that leave our property to live in his sanctuary for lack of better term.
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: CNC]
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02/15/24 06:56 PM
02/15/24 06:56 PM
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JustHunt
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Deer hunting isn’t deer hunting anymore. We are our own worst enemies. Started with getting rid of dog hunting cause other hunters didn’t like the way they did it. Now there are arguments and hunters degrading others cause they shot too small of a buck. You gotta let em grow they say. If you let em grow we will be killing 200 inch deer like they kill in Ohio. No we won’t. But if we change the laws so you only get one bucks then it’ll help. Yep it’ll help reduce the amount of hunters in the woods. One of em will be me. All this is tiring to an old man who just wants to hunt deer. I don’t kill small ones but that’s the choice I make. I don’t expect everyone else in alabama to think like I think. But a lot here seem to think we should do as they say and do. I don’t like corn. I wish it was still illegal. Won’t ever happen so I just choose to not hunt over corn. Same as everyone here can implement whatever restrictions they want to see on the land they hunt. But they won’t do it. They want everyone to be like them. So they beg for more government intrusion into their lives in deer hunting but turn around and scream there’s too much governmental control on everything else in their life. Crazy to me.
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: Pwyse]
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02/15/24 07:05 PM
02/15/24 07:05 PM
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JustHunt
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Depends on how much pressure is on the club. If a doe gets popped every time one walks out into the farm land, of course they will stay on the 2000 acres. Especially if this is happening when no one is on the club property like during the summer.
Will they be over populated? That depends on what you consider overpopulated.
I know if 3-4 guys were hunting that 2000 acres, and they did it right to keep pressure to a minimum, the deer would thrive there if they went about it right. But if you pile 10 people on it, and they are there every weekend riding 4 wheelers all over the place… yeah it’s going to struggle. Man times have changed I reckon. When did putting 10 people on 2000 acres become piling em in?? We have more than that on 2000 acres and we see deer all the time. And that’s typical here in Alabama. I wasn’t saying you wouldn’t see any deer, I was just saying that pressure on the 2000 would definitely push more deer out to the surrounding properties. But yeah 200 acres per hunter is typical. I was in a club that had that ratio but one of our members owns about 260 beside it. It rarely gets pressure and he gets a lot more mature buck pics than we typically do. Not more mature bucks but more mature buck pics. Also one of the adjoining land owners is well off and he owns about 2k acres with no members hunting it. Just him and his dad. And they rarely kill. So there are a lot of deer that leave our property to live in his sanctuary for lack of better term. 200 acres per hunter is not typical in this state. Far, far from it. We prolly have 140 acres per hunter and I consider that to above average in this state. Our property gets hunted regular and we seem to kill mature bucks every year. It’s like everything else in hunting. People try to make it way too complicated. No pressure. Only hunt when the wind is just perfect. Wear your scent lock. Spray down with this scent. Amazing how my grandfather ever killed a deer cause he pressured the crap out of them. It ain’t about deer hunting anymore. It’s about who can kill the biggest bucks and brag about it to their friends and post on their social media. It’s the trophy syndrome and it appears to have overtaken deer hunting. Not saying this about you, PWYSE. Just ranting in general.
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: CNC]
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02/15/24 08:07 PM
02/15/24 08:07 PM
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cartervj
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Cooperates is the answer then Doe days and DMAP How many doe days? Or how about a limit of 5
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: Pwyse]
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02/15/24 08:29 PM
02/15/24 08:29 PM
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Depends on how much pressure is on the club. If a doe gets popped every time one walks out into the farm land, of course they will stay on the 2000 acres. Especially if this is happening when no one is on the club property like during the summer.
Will they be over populated? That depends on what you consider overpopulated.
I know if 3-4 guys were hunting that 2000 acres, and they did it right to keep pressure to a minimum, the deer would thrive there if they went about it right. But if you pile 10 people on it, and they are there every weekend riding 4 wheelers all over the place… yeah it’s going to struggle. Man times have changed I reckon. When did putting 10 people on 2000 acres become piling em in?? We have more than that on 2000 acres and we see deer all the time. And that’s typical here in Alabama. I wasn’t saying you wouldn’t see any deer, I was just saying that pressure on the 2000 would definitely push more deer out to the surrounding properties. But yeah 200 acres per hunter is typical. I was in a club that had that ratio but one of our members owns about 260 beside it. It rarely gets pressure and he gets a lot more mature buck pics than we typically do. Not more mature bucks but more mature buck pics. Also one of the adjoining land owners is well off and he owns about 2k acres with no members hunting it. Just him and his dad. And they rarely kill. So there are a lot of deer that leave our property to live in his sanctuary for lack of better term. If you’re talking about I think you are, he and his dad have 7,000 acres between what they own and lease. And they mainly turkey hunt it, it rarely gets deer hunted.
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: cartervj]
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02/15/24 08:34 PM
02/15/24 08:34 PM
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Something about like we had in the early 90’s along with a DMAP that could issue extra doe tags and depredation permits in areas where it was legitimately needed.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: CNC]
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02/15/24 09:27 PM
02/15/24 09:27 PM
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Great comments you make 2 hours ago JustHunt. Lot of people get pissed if you aint just like them. Never seen nothing like it. I use to think every hunter was happy cause they got to hunt and love the outdoors - then i came here 🤣🤣🤣
Lot of pissed off folks and dumbly - i hav let them piss me off some. Feed corn - i happy - dont - i happy. We get to freaking hunt guys - we may not always get that privledge and i gonna enjoy the heck out of it. Wanna shoot does - whack em - dont - dont - why would i care. The laws are the laws a d our gripe sessions aint doing jack
I like to try to grow deer - follow them year after year. If you dont - why the heck would i care - unless i was retarted 🤣🤣🤣
If u hunt with a popgun - bebe gun or a bazoka - i could give a crap - cause i aint retarded 🤣🤣🤣
Its your hunt - just obey the law - wether you like it or not
We very blessed to be able to hunt - i gonna enjoy the heck out of it and yes - i may complain when i never hear gobbles - but i still love going 😀
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Question on shooting does???
[Re: CNC]
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02/16/24 12:12 AM
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Ol cnc sure is a miserable phucker. I'd take 49er and his copy and paste back over this chit
We will burn that bridge when we get there
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