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Re: High Fencing [Re: chevydude2015] #4104554
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Originally Posted by chevydude2015
There's no changing the stigma around it being high fence because it will never be the same as hunting free-range deer. But I do tend to agree, if you fence in enough property, at some point those deer don't really know they're fenced in. There are multiple places in Texas that are good examples


If you were to simply fence off and trap in the native deer.....then really over time the only difference inside of the fence versus outside would be age structure and herd density.

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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by chevydude2015
There's no changing the stigma around it being high fence because it will never be the same as hunting free-range deer. But I do tend to agree, if you fence in enough property, at some point those deer don't really know they're fenced in. There are multiple places in Texas that are good examples


If you were to simply fence off and trap in the native deer.....then really over time the only difference inside of the fence versus outside would be age structure and herd density.


^^^^^Exactly correct Harold.

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I’m tempted to do it on my property for the same reasons

Re: High Fencing [Re: CNC] #4104573
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Will this cause inbreeding problems?

Re: High Fencing [Re: abolt300] #4104595
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by chevydude2015
There's no changing the stigma around it being high fence because it will never be the same as hunting free-range deer. But I do tend to agree, if you fence in enough property, at some point those deer don't really know they're fenced in. There are multiple places in Texas that are good examples


If you were to simply fence off and trap in the native deer.....then really over time the only difference inside of the fence versus outside would be age structure and herd density.


^^^^^Exactly correct Harold.


I guess technically you would also have an easier time impacting generational nutrition as well and you could have the herd inside of the fence expressing more of their potential over time


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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by chevydude2015
There's no changing the stigma around it being high fence because it will never be the same as hunting free-range deer. But I do tend to agree, if you fence in enough property, at some point those deer don't really know they're fenced in. There are multiple places in Texas that are good examples


If you were to simply fence off and trap in the native deer.....then really over time the only difference inside of the fence versus outside would be age structure and herd density.


^^^^^Exactly correct Harold.


I guess technically you would also have an easier time impacting generational nutrition as well and you could have the herd inside of the fence expressing more of their potential over time


And you could more easily eliminate hogs and predators completely from the equation too.

Re: High Fencing [Re: CNC] #4104620
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Re: High Fencing [Re: CNC] #4104638
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I was told years ago by a guy that when you fenced your property you had to pay the state for the deer you fenced. Is that not correct?

Re: High Fencing [Re: CNC] #4104673
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not correct.


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Re: High Fencing [Re: CNC] #4104676
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No, that is not correct. They've got absolutely no clue how many deer are inside a fence. They dont even know how many deer are killed per year in Alabama by licensed hunters. It laughable that the state would say, you owe us for the 161 deer inside your 1200 acre fence. I could see them trying to do that, because Chuckie never saw a dollar he didnt want to put in his back pocket, but no, there are zero regulations governing high fencing your land and no permits are required to do so in Alabama. LOL.

Now if you are bringing in non-native deer or transporting deer in from another area in the state, I'm pretty sure there are quite a few regulations you have to work under there.

Re: High Fencing [Re: Backwards cowboy] #4104680
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Originally Posted by Backwoods cowboy
Pretty sure I'm talking about everything, native and non native. If my property takes resources that are vital to the public, the public needs to buy it maintain it and own it. If I dam a creek on my property that's vital to others, others need to buy it or move. My property is my property. What's on my property is mine. If it's not the owner needs to get it off. This is the problem everyone thinks the government shouldn't pass laws to restrict their freedom, but everyone loves a law that restricts someone else's freedom, as long as it benefits them! Again I say, if there is anything on my property that belongs to someone else's, they need to get it off!


What if I dammed up a creek on my land that flooded your entire property? It’s my land and I can do whatever I want, right? If you don’t want your land under 5 ft of water then buy my land and bust open the dam.

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Originally Posted by ALclearcut
Originally Posted by Backwoods cowboy
Pretty sure I'm talking about everything, native and non native. If my property takes resources that are vital to the public, the public needs to buy it maintain it and own it. If I dam a creek on my property that's vital to others, others need to buy it or move. My property is my property. What's on my property is mine. If it's not the owner needs to get it off. This is the problem everyone thinks the government shouldn't pass laws to restrict their freedom, but everyone loves a law that restricts someone else's freedom, as long as it benefits them! Again I say, if there is anything on my property that belongs to someone else's, they need to get it off!


What if I damned up a creek on my land that flooded your entire property? It’s my land and I can do whatever I want, right? If you don’t want your land under 5 ft of water then buy my land and bust open the damn.


Don’t try to reason with him

Re: High Fencing [Re: abolt300] #4104751
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by hosscat
If I had the money and a few more acres I would high fence for sure. To add to the discussion of a how a small tract can hurt; several years ago a family that joined my place had a smallish tract (47acres) they killed every deer they saw. Any given weekend afternoon I would see a truck with at least 2 in the cab and 3 more in the bed. Every single weekend afternoon I would at least 1 shot. At the end of one particular season I asked one of the guys if they had killed much and said something like 25ish small bucks, a couple 8pts and a dozen or so does. They only hunted it like that for maybe 10 years until someone passed away and now the guy that has it doesn’t let everyone hunt there. But in that 10 year period they significantly affected the hunting on my place and at least one more that joined it. It was crazy.



Happening all over Alabama on a much more regular basis than most people realize. In Alabama, if you're actively managing for mature bucks (4 yrs and older), a good rule of thumb is that you should be able to harvest 3-5 bucks per year off 1000 acres depending on the quality of your property and what your neighbors are doing. Basically 1 buck per 200-300 acres, once again depending on land quality and location. Bad neighbors, that 3-5 drops to 0-1 or 0-2. Great neighbors, large landowners all around, all on the same program, real good quality land, letting all bucks younger than 4 walk, you might be able to harvest 6-8/yr or even more, without hurting it, in an established program. So yes, a single 20 acre landowner with 3 sons, all of which can kill 3 bucks each (12 in total per year legally) and unlimited does can absolutely ruin any attempt at managing a 1000 acre property. Or, if it was already being well managed, the 20 acre landowner that moves in and starts shooting any buck they see, can ruin years of management efforts in just a few seasons. 12 bucks a year off the 20 acres will be well in excess of what the guy managing the 1000 acres will harvest/yr and none of the bucks killed on the 20 will grow up, live/stay on, or even spend 10% of their time on that 20 acres. But when they walk across that 20 acre piece, and they will walk across it many times a year and during the season, they'll get whacked. And Matt's right. Small property management, 1000 acres or less, has zero chance of success without the surrounding neighbors being on the same page and working together, or in a best case scenario for the deer manager, not hunting their properties at all.

Probably several hundred high fence properties in Alabama


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Re: High Fencing [Re: CNC] #4104796
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Maybe all my neighbors will high-fence their properties... then mine will effectively be fenced for zero cost to me.


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Originally Posted by treemydog
Maybe all my neighbors will high-fence their properties... then mine will effectively be fenced for zero cost to me.


Dang. That would be genius. Start selling them in it now. Tell all of them you are about to start a “whitetail cleansing” and no deer are safe.

Re: High Fencing [Re: Forrestgump1] #4104947
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Originally Posted by Forrestgump1
All of this talk for some bone that grows on top of a male pine goats head


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Not making a statement of any kind but I always think back to the Indian who asked "how can a man OWN a piece of the earth?" An outdated question but he had a good philosophical point. As for the reasoning behind high fencing, it is hard to fault anyone in the state of Alabama for doing so. Neighboring hunters can and do absolutely ruin any efforts at improving the deer hunting on your own property. It is precisely why I gave up trying years ago.

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Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by Forrestgump1
All of this talk for some bone that grows on top of a male pine goats head


Just a sign of one of Our greatest faults as Humans- GREED and SELFISHNESS/ SELF CENTEREDNESS


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Originally Posted by Narrow Gap
Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by Forrestgump1
All of this talk for some bone that grows on top of a male pine goats head


Just a sign of one of Our greatest faults as Humans- GREED and SELFISHNESS/ SELF CENTEREDNESS


Truth.

I remember hunting as a teenager and being happy seeing a deer, let alone actually killing a deer. On the ground with 00Buck or a lever 30/30, happy to to kill fork horn... happy to kill anything. And was happy when the neighbors killed something too. Never ran out of deer to kill. It all changed when Realtree and Mossyoak hit the airwaves. They brilliantly made monsters out of most hunters... me included for a little while.


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