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Re: Impacts of Pigs on Turkeys [Re: CNC] #4134647
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Originally Posted by CNC
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Thanks for the information
I’ve said for several years now that with the fast growing hog population they would soon be the #1 turkey nest predator


According to their studies pigs aren't really messing up nests but rather just running turkeys out of the area.....They said turkeys were exhibiting an avoidance behavior to areas with pigs


They quoted a study from 2020 that said probability of a nest being predated by a wild pig was 30%. That's pretty hefty.

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We have this information, yet the focus is on DGT for managing a decreasing population. I've seen this not only here in Alabama, but in Texas as well on as good of piece of Turkey land that ever existed. Year 1 and 2 I hunted the 2000 acres, turkeys were literally everywhere and I didn't see hardly any hog sign. Year 3 hogs were moving in and hunting was much tougher. Year 4 it was over ran with hogs and 0 turkeys were heard or seen and no sign. I haven't been back, but my understanding is they have gotten the hogs under control and are killing turkeys there again.

I also saw this happen with cattle on a similar place, but pretty much everyone on this site at least believes cattle to be generally beneficial for turkeys. We can agree to disagree, haha.

Re: Impacts of Pigs on Turkeys [Re: blade] #4134786
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Originally Posted by blade
Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by deadeye48
Thanks for the information
I’ve said for several years now that with the fast growing hog population they would soon be the #1 turkey nest predator


According to their studies pigs aren't really messing up nests but rather just running turkeys out of the area.....They said turkeys were exhibiting an avoidance behavior to areas with pigs


They quoted a study from 2020 that said probability of a nest being predated by a wild pig was 30%. That's pretty hefty.


I must have missed that part…..I wouldn’t doubt it a bit though. Pigs love thick understory especially stuff like heavy grass stands…..The places they like to be are probably some of the more likely turkey nesting spots.


We dont rent pigs
Re: Impacts of Pigs on Turkeys [Re: CNC] #4134846
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Originally Posted by CNC
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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by deadeye48
Thanks for the information
I’ve said for several years now that with the fast growing hog population they would soon be the #1 turkey nest predator


According to their studies pigs aren't really messing up nests but rather just running turkeys out of the area.....They said turkeys were exhibiting an avoidance behavior to areas with pigs


They quoted a study from 2020 that said probability of a nest being predated by a wild pig was 30%. That's pretty hefty.


I must have missed that part…..I wouldn’t doubt it a bit though. Pigs love thick understory especially stuff like heavy grass stands…..The places they like to be are probably some of the more likely turkey nesting spots.


Yeah, dang pig doesn’t miss much area they go thru.

Re: Impacts of Pigs on Turkeys [Re: Steve Ditchkoff] #4134887
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I'm pretty sure its still an evolving issue too that still has 10-20 years of further growth ahead of us.....I dont think the landscape as a whole is nearly maxed out yet.....


We dont rent pigs
Re: Impacts of Pigs on Turkeys [Re: Steve Ditchkoff] #4134905
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Hogs just are bad in a ecosystem.

Re: Impacts of Pigs on Turkeys [Re: Steve Ditchkoff] #4134921
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They just need to go on and poison the sobs and be done with it. Something tells me that maybe there’s folks that don’t want them gone saying it will kill a few tweety birds and rare salamanders.

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They just need to go on and poison the sobs and be done with it. Something tells me that maybe there’s folks that don’t want them gone saying it will kill a few tweety birds and rare salamanders.


Yep. I hope they approve LSU's poison so we can kill every last one of them.

Re: Impacts of Pigs on Turkeys [Re: blade] #4135122
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Actually, there isn't a lot of data showing that pigs are heavy predators of turkey nests. We know they predate them, but the frequency with which they do is likely overblown. There are studies on pig stomachs showing turkey eggshells, but those could just as easily be scavenged after a nest was predated. And, the studies that have tried to measure nest predation, such as the one we cited from 2020, were conducted with artificial nests. Here are the problems with that study and others like it: (1) they use dead eggs in artificial nests...dead eggs probably smell much more than live eggs, (2) artificial nests are placed by humans, likely in spots that are less than optimal, and (3) there is no turkey tending it that can potentially distract pigs if they come close.

You are going to see a paper come out in the next year (not from Auburn) that really tackles this issue.


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Re: Impacts of Pigs on Turkeys [Re: Steve Ditchkoff] #4135155
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Originally Posted by Steve Ditchkoff
Actually, there isn't a lot of data showing that pigs are heavy predators of turkey nests. We know they predate them, but the frequency with which they do is likely overblown. There are studies on pig stomachs showing turkey eggshells, but those could just as easily be scavenged after a nest was predated. And, the studies that have tried to measure nest predation, such as the one we cited from 2020, were conducted with artificial nests. Here are the problems with that study and others like it: (1) they use dead eggs in artificial nests...dead eggs probably smell much more than live eggs, (2) artificial nests are placed by humans, likely in spots that are less than optimal, and (3) there is no turkey tending it that can potentially distract pigs if they come close.

You are going to see a paper come out in the next year (not from Auburn) that really tackles this issue.




lol ,,,, hell this or that dont matter . hogs are just bad . nothing but walking hoovers that suck up ever thing . hell they even eat each other .

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Re: Impacts of Pigs on Turkeys [Re: Steve Ditchkoff] #4138152
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Steve, thank you for sharing this information with all of us here. We have had hogs for 30 years on our property. I am always interested in reading scientific studies about their impacts. Please continue to share with us.

Re: Impacts of Pigs on Turkeys [Re: Steve Ditchkoff] #4144114
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More impacts of pigs:

Paper 1

Paper 2


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