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Re: Rapture (Bible topic spinoff)
[Re: Mbrock]
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05/19/24 08:06 PM
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This is why I say I like to keep my religion simple, as in, there is a Trinity, Jesus died for us to wash away our sins because we are all sinners and he is the only way to the father. It looks to me that some of y'all overthink it so much that you are close to losing the main points or adding stuff that is not so. I was taught pre-tribulation rapture too, growing up in a SBC. The more I read scripture it just didn’t fit. Go read Matthew 24. Jesus makes a pretty convincing argument that believers are going to endure the tribulation. Read His words. Not mine. Like I said, at the end of the day, whether He returns before or after the tribulation has absolutely no affect on our salvation and it’s not a theological hill I’m dying on. I’m just like Matt. I grew up SBC. I’m still SBC and I was taught a pre trib rapture my whole life. I just have one question for the pre trib crowd. Show me in scripture where the last trumpet sounds twice? Show me where Christ returns twice???
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Re: Rapture (Bible topic spinoff)
[Re: Snuffy]
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05/19/24 08:28 PM
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This is why I say I like to keep my religion simple, as in, there is a Trinity, Jesus died for us to wash away our sins because we are all sinners and he is the only way to the father. It looks to me that some of y'all overthink it so much that you are close to losing the main points or adding stuff that is not so. I was taught pre-tribulation rapture too, growing up in a SBC. The more I read scripture it just didn’t fit. Go read Matthew 24. Jesus makes a pretty convincing argument that believers are going to endure the tribulation. Read His words. Not mine. Like I said, at the end of the day, whether He returns before or after the tribulation has absolutely no affect on our salvation and it’s not a theological hill I’m dying on. I’m just like Matt. I grew up SBC. I’m still SBC and I was taught a pre trib rapture my whole life. I just have one question for the pre trib crowd. Show me in scripture where the last trumpet sounds twice? Show me where Christ returns twice??? i just got in from Mobile so i have not replied. I gave you the scriptures that explained it on page 1 of the thread . Then rainbow stew gave them through David Jeramiah so lets just all agree to be ready when it does happen .As Steve Brown the seminary professor and Presbyterian Minister used to say" I don't believe the doctrine of the pretrib rapture. But if I am wrong yall grab my hand on the way up. So maybe that is the best way to look at it. I have never seen anybodys mind changed in one of these threads but it is good to discuss it
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Re: Rapture (Bible topic spinoff)
[Re: jawbone]
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05/19/24 08:31 PM
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You still haven’t provided scripture that says the last trumpet sounds twice! You can’t cause it ain’t in there! Believe it or not my personal rapture theology changed about 10 years ago. The more I study the more I just don’t see a pre trib rapture. But hey I hope David Jerimah, JVeron McGee and John McAuthur are all correct and I’m wrong. Sooner is better for me. I just don’t see it and I was taught pre trib my entire life.
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Re: Rapture (Bible topic spinoff)
[Re: kyles]
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05/19/24 08:48 PM
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the last of anything is the final. How many trumpets do you believe is sounded in the end times? Good question. I’m out of town. I’ll study that one when I get home.
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Re: Rapture (Bible topic spinoff)
[Re: jawbone]
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05/19/24 08:52 PM
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Coming next we will discuss election. Discussion is good. Bickering is not. All that really matters is Christ shed his blood and died on the cross and was raised again 3 days later. For our sins.
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Re: Rapture (Bible topic spinoff)
[Re: kyles]
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05/19/24 09:02 PM
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This is why I say I like to keep my religion simple, as in, there is a Trinity, Jesus died for us to wash away our sins because we are all sinners and he is the only way to the father. It looks to me that some of y'all overthink it so much that you are close to losing the main points or adding stuff that is not so. I was taught pre-tribulation rapture too, growing up in a SBC. The more I read scripture it just didn’t fit. Go read Matthew 24. Jesus makes a pretty convincing argument that believers are going to endure the tribulation. Read His words. Not mine. Like I said, at the end of the day, whether He returns before or after the tribulation has absolutely no affect on our salvation and it’s not a theological hill I’m dying on. I’m just like Matt. I grew up SBC. I’m still SBC and I was taught a pre trib rapture my whole life. I just have one question for the pre trib crowd. Show me in scripture where the last trumpet sounds twice? Show me where Christ returns twice??? i just got in from Mobile so i have not replied. I gave you the scriptures that explained it on page 1 of the thread . Then rainbow stew gave them through David Jeramiah so lets just all agree to be ready when it does happen .As Steve Brown the seminary professor and Presbyterian Minister used to say" I don't believe the doctrine of the pretrib rapture. But if I am wrong yall grab my hand on the way up. So maybe that is the best way to look at it. I have never seen anybodys mind changed in one of these threads but it is good to discuss it Kyles, I like this mindset that you mentioned from Steve Brown. I use the same mindset for salvation (a topic that we have discussed to death on here). Live your life in such a way that you can lose your salvation. If you can’t lose it, no harm or fear to worry about when you get to heaven.
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Re: Rapture (Bible topic spinoff)
[Re: kyles]
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05/19/24 09:34 PM
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Good point. John 3 :36 tells about the wrath of God and who will face it along with the ones Paul gave . There are seven trumpets in Revelation I used to be mid trib to be honest with you. But my view is Jesus took the wrath for my sins on the cross. Jeremiah 30 talks about the tribulation on Israel and not the church.He refers to it as the time of Jacob’s trouble. I been wrong about a lot of stuff but I form my opinions on what I study and not what someone tells me. Steve Brown was also a Calvanist they got some beliefs other than that that I have never studied. I have heard they believe in predestination and I don’t believe that. I vaguely remember the verse that is used in that but that goes against the whole character of what I believe in. I kind of like that Whosoever will part There’s more to Calvinist than election or predestination. Google the 5 points of Calvinism.
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Re: Rapture (Bible topic spinoff)
[Re: Mbrock]
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05/19/24 09:35 PM
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Predestination and election is all in theBible. It’s not one verse. It’s a pile of them. I believe in election and I also believe in man’s autonomy and will to choose Christ or sin. You can believe in both. I think a lot of people ride on either extreme without understanding the entire concept. I’m off to bed but may join in later. ^^^This^^^
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Re: Rapture (Bible topic spinoff)
[Re: kyles]
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05/19/24 09:37 PM
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Good point. John 3 :36 tells about the wrath of God and who will face it along with the ones Paul gave . There are seven trumpets in Revelation I used to be mid trib to be honest with you. But my view is Jesus took the wrath for my sins on the cross. Jeremiah 30 talks about the tribulation on Israel and not the church.He refers to it as the time of Jacob’s trouble. I been wrong about a lot of stuff but I form my opinions on what I study and not what someone tells me. Steve Brown was also a Calvanist they got some beliefs other than that that I have never studied. I have heard they believe in predestination and I don’t believe that. I vaguely remember the verse that is used in that but that goes against the whole character of what I believe in. I kind of like that Whosoever will part There’s tons of scripture that says the elect will NOT face Gods wrath.
If you always do what you've always done you always get what you've always got
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Re: Rapture (Bible topic spinoff)
[Re: Snuffy]
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05/19/24 09:48 PM
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Predestination and election is all in theBible. It’s not one verse. It’s a pile of them. I believe in election and I also believe in man’s autonomy and will to choose Christ or sin. You can believe in both. I think a lot of people ride on either extreme without understanding the entire concept. I’m off to bed but may join in later. ^^^This^^^
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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Re: Rapture (Bible topic spinoff)
[Re: Snuffy]
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05/19/24 09:54 PM
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You still haven’t provided scripture that says the last trumpet sounds twice! You can’t cause it ain’t in there! Believe it or not my personal rapture theology changed about 10 years ago. The more I study the more I just don’t see a pre trib rapture. But hey I hope David Jerimah, JVeron McGee and John McAuthur are all correct and I’m wrong. Sooner is better for me. I just don’t see it and I was taught pre trib my entire life. It says in one place Jesus will come back in the clouds and we will be called up to meet him in the air. It says in Zecceriah he will come back and stand on the mount of olives. Thats the two i can think of right off the top of my head. But trumpet sounding twice, maybe not.
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Re: Rapture (Bible topic spinoff)
[Re: jwalker77]
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05/19/24 10:14 PM
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You still haven’t provided scripture that says the last trumpet sounds twice! You can’t cause it ain’t in there! Believe it or not my personal rapture theology changed about 10 years ago. The more I study the more I just don’t see a pre trib rapture. But hey I hope David Jerimah, JVeron McGee and John McAuthur are all correct and I’m wrong. Sooner is better for me. I just don’t see it and I was taught pre trib my entire life. It says in one place Jesus will come back in the clouds and we will be called up to meet him in the air. It says in Zecceriah he will come back and stand on the mount of olives. Thats the two i can think of right off the top of my head. But trumpet sounding twice, maybe not. You are correct it does say we will meet him in the clouds at the sound of the last trumpet. My belief is there will be seven trumpets. I see both sides. I hope your right and Im wrong.😁
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Re: Rapture (Bible topic spinoff)
[Re: lefthorn]
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05/19/24 10:19 PM
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A little off subject but why did God create Satan in the first place???? He was an angel. Some say the worship leader in heaven, i dont know if theres any truth to that. But he certainly had a job because all angels do. He chose to leave heaven "his first estate", and turned on God. Hell, or Tartarshish was created by God to house satan and his followers. Hes on the loose now but some day will spend eternity in the place God made for him. When will satan be bound for 1000 years? Thats a question alot of religious folks will avoid at all cost. It just dont go along with what is taught in some churches. But the bible plainly says it will happen.
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