I went to Dixie Academy up until the 5th grade. Pretty much everyone older than me who runs things around here graduated from there. The rebel flag was on everything back when straight piped square body z71s were still out and about. I’ve never seen where it’s supposed to make people feel left out. I ended up going to lakeside after that and we took a field trip to Jamestown/Williamsburg, Va. A black man was running the tour and he taught us how many folks like him fought and died for the southern states. He loved the flag and that’s what his whole tour was about. When I started going to gw long everybody wore “Dixie outfitters” t shirts. Every color of folks. I say it was about 2003 when y’all started listening to the government and how y’all should think about such a flag? There was a push to make it bad and a lot of folks bit hook line etc

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If you can show me one place in the bible where it says any human is worthy of Jesuss death, that might be a good thing to tell a lost person. Problem is, its not in there. What i said is in there, that makes it the truth. Im just a big fan of the truth. If you want to lie to folks, go right ahead. Kinda odd i get criticized on here for not quoting the bible, just giving my opinion. Then i quote the bible and get told i shouldnt quote what the bible says, just give an opinion, that happens to be a lie. Thats the whole first chapter of Romans, particularly the last verse. Pretty sure theres some of the same thoughts in 1 Peter and Jude, several other places i guess. This is how God feels about homosexuality. My opinion really dont matter. How in the heck did homos sneak into a thread about our nations flags?

You make a good point Dixie. The rebel flag means more to you than it does to me. I respect that choice of yours. Thanks for not being such a jerk and making your point civilly. My biggest deal about worrying what people think of me is my credibility with them in sharing the gospel. If I stop and help a black man change a tire on the side of the interstate, and I have a tee shirt with a rebel flag on it, and then try to share Jesus with them, they probably arent going to trust anything that I say. Same if I had a rainbow sticker or shirt that had someone flipping the bird or an FJB sticker.

I brought up the rainbow flag that's how it got here.

So let me get this straight, you don't believe that Jesus thought you were worth His death on the cross? You don't think God thinks you were worth the sacrifice of His Son? If He didn't think we were worthy of His death, why would he do it? He loved us enough and wanted a relationship with us enough to suffer the cross.

We are God's most prized possession and creation. We are the apple of his eye. He thinks we are worthy of His death for sure.

Our worth and what we deserve are two very different things.

Also, I THINK the verse you are talking about is in Leviticus. Praise the Lord we are not under the law anymore. No sacrifices anymore. Is it a sin? Of course. Is it an abomination? All sin is. Do we kill homos anymore? Of course not. No more than we chop off hands or sacrifice goats. Should we love homos and do all we can to lead them to Christ? Absolutely. And it's hard. I've done it. It's messy. It would be a lot easier to just say you are an abomination to the Lord, get out of our church. But that is not what we are called to do. Love has to come first. Without love it's all just clanking cymbals.

it's my fault jwalker77. I'm the one that brought up the Bible fist. sorry not sorry.

Pwyse, my opinion dont matter. Look up the definition of "grace". That should answer your question. And again, if you can show it to me out of the bible, i will believe it. But your opinion just dont matter, like mine. And if your opinion goes against what the bible says, youre dead wrong 100% of the time

I agree 100%. It's not my opinion. The Bible supports everything I said. What I said does not go against anything in the Bible.

I know what grace is. I know that as sinners we DESERVE death. Because we are WORTH more to God than what we deserve. He gave us GRACE because of our worth and value to Him.

I'm not sure how else to explain it. Maybe think about it like this. Say your son did something and deserves death, but you love him so much that you take his punishment for him. To you, he is worthy of your sacrifice. If you didn't think he was worth it, you obviously wouldn't have done it.

Pwyse, i ask one more time, please show me one place where the bible says any human is "worthy of Christ giving his life". Those were your exact words and you go on to say the bible backs it up. Please show me where the bible backs up that statement. By definition, "grace" means we did not get what we deserved but rather Christ gave us what was his. I know you want so much to believe in inclusion, because thats what the world is teaching. But the bible plainly says it is not of works, which means no human can earn it. It says we were all born into sin, then sin brings death. It says no man is good, no not one. It says we all fall short. Also let the word of God be the truth and every man a liar. So theres several quotes out of the bible proving no man is worthy of Christs death. Will you please show me one place in the bible that states otherwise? To be honest, i didnt even read all that you said because i havent got past that first false statement.

Pwyse you make good points about not offending to be an effective witness. But I think you don't understand jwalkers point. He is trying to make the point no man is worthy of Jesus death on the cross we deserve nothing but he gave us it all. This plan was in the bible since Genesis I can tell you know the scriptures by your posts and I may be wrong reading his post but i think that is right

I see where ya coming from, but you're really secluded if you think that flag's not offensive to most blacks in todays climate. Old school black dudes have a different view but they're outnumbered today.

Now that there's an argument over the scripture and the "rebel" flag, I say at least 3 more pages...

[quote=kodiak06]Now that there's an argument over the scripture and the "rebel" flag, I say at least 3 more pages...[/ Just curious about your post are you poking fun? What is your opinion on the flag and the scriptures. The flag is important to people and some have different views. The scriptures are important to some people and some have different views. Tell us yours

I started this thread to indicate my personal decision to pull The Flag instead of flying it upside down like a lot of folks around the country are doing right now.
I was just looking for alternative ideas.

Now our Confederate heritage and religious beliefs are getting this thread skewed into a bunch of hard feelings and opinions that are off topic.

Skinny - is it time to shut this thread down?

How am I poking fun lol? its a flag thread turned religious argument, that's factual. to answer your question, I believe in GOD and I know the "rebel" flag is offensive to some but not me. I could care less if someone flys it, no skin off my back.
What else ya wanna know? I 'm white, weigh 194#, like to hunt and fish, and watch college football.

I still fly mine but, your decision to not fly it is a personal choice and no one should give you any grief over it.

I dont have any hard feelings in either matter

Kodiak I just wanted to see your point no offense meant. I was just pointing out you saying that it had become an aurgument and 3 pages. I did not no if you were poking fun at the 2. I was just interested in how you viewed it

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That's a childish statement in an online discussion about flags. If I stand up for what I believe in, how does that make me a coward? I believe there is no reason that outweighs someone thinking I hate them (racism) if I'm thought of as a racist, how can anyone find value in what I say about Jesus? Like I said it's your right to do what you want. I just wanted to know what the reason was. So far, no one has presented a good reason to fly it. A good reason to me anyways. But it is your right, I respect that right, I would die for that right if my country asked me to do so. It's what makes America great. I can tell it's a sore subject with a lot of yall. But I was genuinely asking for reasons that you fly it... so maybe I could say yeah that reason is worth being labeled as a racist.

On person even said I fly it as a big FU to the government. Well it's the battle flag of a failed country which had a failed government. So... FU American government! I'm gonna fly this flag of this other government... that you beat in a war. Yeah I don't really see the logic there.

And if you guys think I'm a liberal because I don't believe in the rebel flag yall are crazy. Jeez y'all went down that road fast. I love my country, I love Jesus, I love people of all colors (whether they work hard or whether they live off the government... because that's what God tells us to do) I don't like people that jump to crazy conclusions and call people names on a forum. It makes no sense. Any person that knows me in real life (not this ALdeer screen life) know what kind of person I am.


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That's cool. You've been nothing but respectful in your questions. And I understand your reasoning. But the banner flag for the klan is the blood drop cross. They flew the Confederate flag as well. They also flew the American flag too. The same folks that declared the confederate flag stands for racism will also claim the American flag stands for racism and oppression. I don't let other dictate my beliefs.
The rainbow is a good example of folks taking a symbol and trying to change the meaning. We shouldn't let them control the perception of our symbols. That is their intention. They'll try to take out flag, our god and love for one another if we let them